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The Windows 10 1909 Feature Update is around the corner and is expected to be released sometime next week. Unlike previous Feature Updates, Windows 10 1909, codenamed 19H2, is more like a larger-than-normal cumulative update or service pack.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-1909-coming-soon-here-are-the-new-features/

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IMO "next week" is a bit optimistic because the Insider bug bash does not end until 2-Oct.  And there are several unresolved issues in the latest Insider build 18990.  Early November is more in line with my thinking on when a public release will occur.  Again, just my opinion as a long term Insider tester.

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Isn't that 2003? (Three months early).

AFAIK 1909 (19H2) is still due for RTM on November's Patch Tuesday.

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15 hours ago, nukecad said:

Isn't that 2003? (Three months early).

AFAIK 1909 (19H2) is still due for RTM on November's Patch Tuesday.

Yep, you're correct.  Sorry for inflicting confusion about what is about to happen..maybe happen...possible :)

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Have updated through Win updates to 1909 from 1903. No problems so far.

You have to do the 1903 Cumulative and Software Removal Tool updates first (with a restart) and then you will be offered it when you re-visit win updates..

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Didn't think it would be out till later.

Maybe the change of the clocks.

I'll fire it up when I get home.

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39 minutes ago, hazelnut said:

Have updated through Win updates to 1909 from 1903. No problems so far.

You have to do the 1903 Cumulative and Software Removal Tool updates first (with a restart) and then you will be offered it when you re-visit win updates..

Do you mean malicious software remover, or is software remover something else (removes outdated/incompatible software to the windows.old folder).  I finally, today, got 1903 (on a computer last used in may and was stuck on 1803) so I doubt i'll see 1909 soon (or ever if it's like 1809).

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1803 had an automatic updating problem and they stopped updating it for "the few" who had already got it.

So now they have 'forced' an update from 1803 to 1903, which is what you seem to have got.

1909 is new out tonight.

So if you've just 1903 I'd leave the computer on to let it do all its install things - then tomorrow I'd do a "Check for Updatdes" to see if it offers 1909.

 

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1 hour ago, nukecad said:

1803 had an automatic updating problem and they stopped updating it for "the few" who had already got it.

Ah-ha that makes sense

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Just going for 1909 now.

I went to Settings>Update & Security and used "Check for Updates".

I got 3 listed, a Defender Definition update (standard, more than once everyday), a Malicious Software Removal Tool update (standard, for Patch Tuesday), and a 1903 Cumulative update (KB4524570).

After those and a restart I went back to "Check for updates" and 1909 is offered as an "Optional" update.

From what I have read this is the way 1909 is  being released  - It's being done that way so that it gives you even more choice whether you want to download/install it yet or not.
(Rather than just pausing updates - which you may not be used to if you didn't previously have 1903).
If you want 1909 then click on 'Download and install now', otherwise just leave the option alone until you are ready.

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EDIT-

Now this I find interesting.
After visiting another couple of websites I went and clicked to "Download and install" the Optional update to 1909.
Nothing further downloaded, (I was watching Task Manager) and after about 30 seconds of 'Installing' Windows then asked for another Restart - which took about 2 minutes to install 1909
I guessing that KB4524570 Cumulative Update to 1903 downloaded all the necessary files for 1909?

EDIT 2.
That's (sort of) confirmed here:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4524570/windows-10-update-kb4524570
 

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As a result, the new features in Windows 10, version 1909 were included in the recent monthly quality update for Windows 10, version 1903 (released October 8, 2019), but are currently in a dormant state. These new features will remain dormant until they are turned on using an enablement package, which is a small, quick-to-install “master switch” that simply activates the Windows 10, version 1909 features.


 

 

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So they're going to preload feature updates via cumulative updates that then get switched on later by the "feature update".  That's...special?

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Dunno?

It may make a bit of sense to download Feature Updates and pre-load them in the background - then switch it on later so that they don't seem to take as long on slower internet connections?
But I don't see it making much sense long term to just download them with cumulative updates, so it may be just a one off for this one?
(They are doing a few one-offs like the 1803 to 1903, skipping 1809, thing).

I've not had much time to look around to see what's new yet - but the 'Just type to search' on the start menu is working for me again (Stopped working a few Patch Tuesdays ago) it's a bit different but at least its working again..

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9 hours ago, Nergal said:

Do you mean malicious software remover, or is software remover something else (removes outdated/incompatible software to the windows.old folder).  I finally, today, got 1903 (on a computer last used in may and was stuck on 1803) so I doubt i'll see 1909 soon (or ever if it's like 1809).

Sorry nergal, yes I mean the malicious software removal tool that is offered in Win updates each month.

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WinVer latest version of the update is shown below.  There was an issue initially where MRT downloaded and ran on every Windows update check following the November update; however, that seems to be resolved now because it is not occurring this a.m.

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15 hours ago, nukecad said:

It may make a bit of sense to download Feature Updates and pre-load them in the background - then switch it on later so that they don't seem to take as long on slower internet connections?

Thinking more about that it may explain why they came up with the extra storage requirements for Win 10 updates earlier this year.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows-10-update-space-requirements/

They need the extra disk storage to pre-load/pre-install the version update without affecting the current version?

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Installed all those updates on two laptops and the optional feature update to 1909 and all worked well with no issues.

If their new approach is to slowly release a new version via cumulative updates it seems to be working from what I can tell because version 1909 is the first "major" update that hasn't caused any obvious issues for me.

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Just a heads up for anyone installing 1909. On those two laptops I had to manually turn on Windows Defender real-time protection after the update, for whatever reason real-time protection was disabled after the systems started.

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2 hours ago, Andavari said:

Just a heads up for anyone installing 1909. On those two laptops I had to manually turn on Windows Defender real-time protection after the update, for whatever reason real-time protection was disabled after the systems started.

 

It didn't happen on my Win Defender machine.

1909 musn't like you !!

(but a good heads up for others)

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I'm aware that this can also happen if you have recently updated to, or newly installed, Malwarebytes version 4 on your machine.

It doesn't always happen, it depends on how you have MB set to register/not register with the Windows Security Centre.
If it is set to register then it will turn off Defender. (Any 'traditional' anti-virus programme that you install does that).
If it set to not register then both Defender and MB4 will run side by side quite happily, giving you double protection.

I gave a bit more information about that here:
https://forum.piriform.com/topic/54677-malwarebytes-4-now-rtm/?tab=comments#comment-312012

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Actually Win10 1909 likes me very much Hazelnut! :P It's the only hiccup I noticed on a Dell laptop and an Acer laptop. I reported it to Microsoft, so they'll at least be aware of it.

I'm avoiding MBAM 4 here Nukecad for the GUI issues I have with it.

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Win10 1909 does not like my computer which has the latest drivers and isn't even 4 years old.  I updated 1903 to 1909 via Windows Update and while the computer works just fine, every single thing I do sets an error in Reliability History -- "Runtime Broker has stopped working".  Happens when I turn the machine on, restart or when I open any browser, app or program.  I uninstalled the Enablement Package to revert back to 1903 and the errors are gone.

I've posted about this on several forums as well as Microsoft's Feedback Hub.  No one can explain it or even come up with a guess as to why it's happening.  I did chat with Microsoft and they advised me to stay on 1903 until 2003 comes out.  And, if 2003 has the same issue, I should revert back to 1903 until it's no longer supported and then consider getting a new computer.  Not what I wanted to hear.  What's frustrating is that the computer works great.  I'm still doing research on this issue but it's so obscure I don't think there'll be an easy fix.

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Have you tried a clean install of 1909?

What things have you tried already? Turning off Tips etc and Background Apps? (apart from Defender)

Do you use a local account of a Microsoft Account? Have you treid a new user?

I'm sure it's a configuration issue and not your machine.

 

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@hazelnut -- Tried with tips and background apps turned off.  I have MS and local accounts, tried them.  Even tried a new user.  With past upgrades, there were Runtime Broker errors but they dealt with RB causing high CPU and memory usage and the workaround was a registry tweak to turn off RB.  I tried that -- no joy.  I also had Cortana disabled and enabled that to see if it made a difference -- nope.  And yes, I did a clean install and the issue persists.  I have a backed-up image of 1903 so I reverted back.  I'm really out of ideas at this point.

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