pwillener Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 After running CCleaner with MS AntiMalware checked, MSE will complain that the computer is insecure, and that a scan is required. This happens even if a scan has run shortly before CCleaner was run. Related discussions: http://forum.pirifor...showtopic=36877 http://forum.pirifor...showtopic=35577 I have done a bit of research and testing; the results are all in the first of the above topics. On Windows 7 (and likely Vista as well) the following folders get deleted: %PROGRAMDATA%\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\Quick %PROGRAMDATA%\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\Resource %PROGRAMDATA%\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\System On Windows XP the following folders get deleted: %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Application Data\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\Quick %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Application Data\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\Resource %ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Application Data\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\System The folders Quick and System contain information about performed scans; Quick = quick scans, System = full scans. Resource contains information about all other MSE activities. For MSE to remember when the last scan was performed, the contents of the Quick and System folders are used. In order for MSE to know when the last scan was performed, the newest entry in either Quick or System must be retained. All data in the Resource folder can safely be deleted. I am sure that all MSE users will be very happy that they can safely check MS AntiMalware again, without MSE starting to complain shortly after every CCleaner run. Thank you for a great product, and thank you for listening to your users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted October 15, 2012 Moderators Share Posted October 15, 2012 I've pinned this topic in the hope that Piriform finally do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_B Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 In order for MSE to know when the last scan was performed, the newest entry in either Quick or System must be retained. Would that requirement be met if files with an age of less than 24 hours were retained ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winapp2.ini Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Would that requirement be met if files with an age of less than 24 hours were retained ? Probably, but what of people who have MSE set to run weekly (like myself - even though I don't experience this issue) winapp2.ini additions thread winapp2.ini github Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwillener Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 Would that requirement be met if files with an age of less than 24 hours were retained ? No, the default is a weekly scan. That would be 168 hours, +12 = 180 to give the user another 12 hours time for a scan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted October 17, 2012 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2012 This seems to be working well for me, note you have to be using ccleaner.ini for the settings in order to manually input it. Just replace 51 and 52 with the actual Exclude numbers which are next in your ccleaner.ini file: Exclude51=PATH|%CommonAppData%\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\Quick\|*.* Exclude52=PATH|%CommonAppData%\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\System\|*.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trium Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 what for an ini? i have only two exe files and a language flle Versions of CCleaner Cloud; Introduction Ccleaner Cloud; Ccleaner-->System-Requirements; Ccleaner FAQ´s; Ccleaner builds; Scheduling Ccleaner Free Es ist möglich, keine Fehler zu machen und dennoch zu verlieren. Das ist kein Zeichen von Schwäche. Das ist das Leben -> "Picard" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Nergal Posted December 11, 2012 Moderators Share Posted December 11, 2012 the ini is an alternative to using the registry. I'm not sure why Andavari suggested it in that manner, but you can add those as excludes using ccleaner exclude section under options ADVICE FOR USING CCleaner'S REGISTRY INTEGRITY SECTION DON'T JUST CLEAN EVERYTHING THAT'S CHECKED OFF. Do your Registry Cleaning in small bits (at the very least Check-mark by Check-mark) ALWAYS BACKUP THE ENTRY, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'LL BREAK IF YOU DON'T. Support at https://support.ccleaner.com/s/?language=en_US Pro users file a PRIORITY SUPPORT via email support@ccleaner.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1959 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Hello, I am experiencing this problem. Love Bleachbit, but this is getting to be a problem for those not possessing much in the way of technical skills. Is there a simpler way to defeat this issue in Bleachbit? Many Thanks, Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winapp2.ini Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Hi rick. These are the CCleaner forums, and while we're happy to give advice on other software, doing so for CCleaner competitors is generally frowned upon. Try asking your question on the BleachBit forums: http://bleachbit.sourceforge.net/forum winapp2.ini additions thread winapp2.ini github Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trium Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 thank you :-) i have looked at C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results and there really missing the 3 subfolders -Quick; -Resource; -System... is it enough to exclude... "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results" ? or must i have exclude... "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\Quick" "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\System" and perhaps "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\Resource"? or perhaps is it in ccleaner 4 integradet? Versions of CCleaner Cloud; Introduction Ccleaner Cloud; Ccleaner-->System-Requirements; Ccleaner FAQ´s; Ccleaner builds; Scheduling Ccleaner Free Es ist möglich, keine Fehler zu machen und dennoch zu verlieren. Das ist kein Zeichen von Schwäche. Das ist das Leben -> "Picard" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted March 28, 2013 Moderators Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) is it enough to exclude... "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results" ? Yes that will work. Although CCleaner then won't be able to clean the "safe to clean" items. or must i have exclude... "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\Quick" "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\System" That's what I excluded on my system so that MSE would stop complaining about the system needing to be scanned. In my findings that was all I needed to exclude on my system. One thing that's important to do is disable/untick in CCleaner "MS AntiMalware" and "MS Security Essentials", and then when you want to clean only enable them temporarily then, and then disable/untick them immediately again so they aren't being cleaned everytime you use CCleaner and possibly causing problems. As in problems I mean; Like the one time I used them and then restarted Windows, and when Windows started to my surprise MSE instantly complained about not having any Virus/Spyware signature files installed and then it automatically downloaded and installed the big full set of them, some 70MB+ worth. That didn't really bother me because I have a broadband connection but had I been on a slow connection it would have bothered me enough to complain on the forums. and perhaps "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\Resource"? I don't know if that needs excluded or not, it would not hurt anything to exclude them though. Perhaps your intial thinking of just blocking the whole thing "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results" is safer, or to just be done with it altogether and exclude absolutely everything: "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware" Edited March 28, 2013 by Andavari fixed typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trium Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 hello andavari, "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\Quick\" "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results\System\" i mean, i take the "save to clean" -version One thing that's important to do is disable/untick in CCleaner "MS AntiMalware" and "MS Security Essentials", and then when you want to clean only enable them temporarily then, and then disable/untick them immediately again so they aren't being cleaned everytime you use CCleaner and possibly causing problems. As in problems I mean; Like the one time I used them and then restarted Windows, and when Windows started to my surprise MSE instantly complained about not having any Virus/Spyware signature files installed and then it automatically downloaded and installed the big full set of them, some 70MB+ worth. That didn't really bother me because I have a broadband connection but had I been on a slow connection it would have bothered me enough to complain on the forums. oh yes :-) my ms security ess... would like to download 2 different of 78 mb signatures, defender only 222 kb new signatures and i have no broadband connection - whatever i try an older signatur to install over and i will see do i inderstand correctly, that "antimaleware" and "security client" summary are MS Security Essentials? I don't know if that needs excluded or not, it would not hurt anything to exclude them though. Perhaps your intial thinking of just blocking the whole thing "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware\Scans\History\Results" is safer, or to just be done with it altogether and exclude absolutely everything: "C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\All Users\Anwendungsdaten\Microsoft\Microsoft Antimalware" yes-this was my thinking-in this folder seem to be only this 3 subfolders -system,-quick and ressources with contentfiles...or so...and i wanted exclude the 3 subfolders together,.at a time thanks you for your help Versions of CCleaner Cloud; Introduction Ccleaner Cloud; Ccleaner-->System-Requirements; Ccleaner FAQ´s; Ccleaner builds; Scheduling Ccleaner Free Es ist möglich, keine Fehler zu machen und dennoch zu verlieren. Das ist kein Zeichen von Schwäche. Das ist das Leben -> "Picard" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted March 29, 2013 Moderators Share Posted March 29, 2013 do i inderstand correctly, that "antimaleware" and "security client" summary are MS Security Essentials? CCleaner has Microsoft Security Essentials under two completely different names, so they'd both have to be disabled/unticked, they are: * MS AntiMalware * MS Security Essentials I suppose if you also have Windows Defender on a computer you'd need to untick that if it's also cleaned by CCleaner - I don't know if it is because I don't use Windows Defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trium Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 yo, i have defender and security ess... thank you for your help i have unticked this 3 ccleaner points Versions of CCleaner Cloud; Introduction Ccleaner Cloud; Ccleaner-->System-Requirements; Ccleaner FAQ´s; Ccleaner builds; Scheduling Ccleaner Free Es ist möglich, keine Fehler zu machen und dennoch zu verlieren. Das ist kein Zeichen von Schwäche. Das ist das Leben -> "Picard" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idd00jea Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 So, ...what is the final solution for this kind of BIG BUG in the CCleaner program ?. Is Piriform going to do something about this in the future ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodles Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Doesn't seem like a ("big") bug IMO. MSE could lock the latest/most recent file or use better location/file type for "settings". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitfully Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Can anyone please confirm that this issue is not present if cleaning was performed not later than 24 hours since MSE installation? I have just checked it - MSE works well in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted April 30, 2013 Moderators Share Posted April 30, 2013 I can't test because I'm using another av program at the moment. However; I think MSE has to produce some files and it will produce many over a few days normal use and after daily signature file updates. Also having CCleaner clean it will not always cause an issue immediately it could take days before MSE complains about a needing to scan the system, or worse when it wants the full signature files to be re-downloaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I have not found any problems with CC series 4 and MSE Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit - IE11 - Nod32 - Mbam pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwillener Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 I have not found any problems with CC series 4 and MSE The same thing is still occurring: ran an MSE scan ran CCleaner with MS Antimalware checked; it deleted the three folders Quick, Resource, and System shortly thereafter the MSE tray icon turned yellow-orange, with the balloon "your system is potentially unprotected" (or something similar) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted May 16, 2013 Moderators Share Posted May 16, 2013 The same thing is still occurring Those MSE cleaners really need to be disabled by default, and also have appropriate warnings for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 The same thing is still occurring: ran an MSE scan ran CCleaner with MS Antimalware checked; it deleted the three folders Quick, Resource, and System shortly thereafter the MSE tray icon turned yellow-orange, with the balloon "your system is potentially unprotected" (or something similar) Are thats the difference I only checked MS security client. Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit - IE11 - Nod32 - Mbam pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winapp2.ini Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 REMOVED from CCleaner v4.03: [MS AntiMalware] ID=2243 LangSecRef=3025 DetectFile=%CommonAppData%\Microsoft\Microsoft antimalware Default=True FileKey1=%CommonAppData%\Microsoft\Microsoft antimalware\support|*.log FileKey2=%CommonAppDAta%\Microsoft\Microsoft antimalware\network inspection system\Support|*.log FileKey3=%CommonAppData%\Microsoft\Microsoft antimalware\scans\history\results\Quick|*.*|REMOVESELF FileKey4=%CommonAppData%\Microsoft\Microsoft antimalware\scans\history\results\System|*.*|REMOVESELF FileKey5=%CommonAppData%\Microsoft\Microsoft antimalware\scans\history\results\resource|*.*|REMOVESELF winapp2.ini additions thread winapp2.ini github Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Andavari Posted June 25, 2013 Moderators Share Posted June 25, 2013 They've also removed "MS Security Essentials" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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