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Intelligent "monitor off" screen saver.

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Whenever I'm sitting at my computer and doing something like converting video, which takes time, the "monitor off" screensaver never fails to come on.

 

If I leave the room while this converting does it's thing, I can guarantee the damn thing will not trip in.

 

How does that happen? ;)

 

Anybody else ever get this? The flaming thing's intelligent and I'm sure it's taking the Michael.

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It has been watching keyboard and mouse to not only see if and when you are active,

but also to deduce from your delays in responding to completion of tasks when you are Away from Keyboard.

Some simple statistical Analysis and it knows in advance when you will take your next "Comfort Break" :rolleyes:

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i think alan may be taking the ... well your both british so I don't need to finish the sentence.

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Sounds like a problem in one of the following areas:

 

- Power management setting(s)

- Corrupted user profile

- Buggy screensaver

 

Try adjusting screensaver settings to a longer time-out period if need be, or use a different blank screensaver from another company.

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I use Control Screen Saver for such things. I use hotkeys to blank the monitor and to kick in the screensaver. When using XP, I remember at times when using my USB mouse that the screen saver would never kick in and I had to install the HID update.

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Alan's right, and I think it's watching me through the web cam.

 

I would be happy if the monitor consistently didn't switch off after the proscribed time, and then I could look for the reason why, but this working when I'm there, and not working when I'm not is a real pain.

 

One thing I did find is that the registry data in two separate "PowerCfg" locations was totally different.

 

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\PowerCfg

 

and

 

HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Control Panel\PowerCfg

 

As I'm not 100% sure which one applies to my use of the computer, I'm assuming Current_User, I made sure they both contained the same Power Configuration details, but the same thing happens.

 

@ Tr3bg0D

 

I remember at times when using my USB mouse that the screen saver would never kick in

 

I'm using a USB optical mouse, and that's interesting, although my monitor does switch off if I'm sitting at the computer.

 

@ Tom

 

I'll pleased you chipped in Tom, as that makes two of us crazy. :)

 

 

EDIT: There are more locations than above relating to PowerCfg settings, and the settings they contain differ from the two locations above ...

 

[HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-18\Control Panel\PowerCfg]

 

[HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-19\Control Panel\PowerCfg]

 

[HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-20\Control Panel\PowerCfg]

 

[HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1220945662-2025429265-725345543-1003\Control Panel\PowerCfg]

 

Some research needed here I think, and I'm not surprised the "Monitor Off" setting isn't consistent, and there are a lot of XP users out there experiencing similar inconsistencies with it.

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I'm using a USB optical mouse, and that's interesting, although my monitor does switch off if I'm sitting at the computer.

Do you have the HID update on your system? This really sounds like the problem I experienced.

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Have you tried a different blank screensaver yet?

 

No, as I don't want a screensaver running at all while I'm converting video. I've learned from painful experience that conversion glitches usually happen if something else kicks in or is running during the process, hence the monitor off choice.

 

 

Do you have the HID update on your system? This really sounds like the problem I experienced.

 

Actually, I've only just learned of that while doing some research, and from yourself, and unless it has at sometime been part of MS patches, the answer is no. So I'll look at that now.

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The HID update should come automatically if you have a USB mouse plugged in. If it is not in your updates and it doesn't come down, you may have to hunt it down on MS site. I used to have the KB file stored locally but I can't find it since moving my files on this new HDD...sorry.

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I seem to have fixed it, but I'll be more definitive if it continues like this for at least a few days.

 

I went into Device Manager and unchecked this box ...

 

2011_10_15_200255.jpg

 

I'm aware that this box is the option to use the mouse to come out of standby, but unchecking it has enabled my "Monitor Off" PowerCfg setting to work consistently.

 

Even when I leave the room. :lol:

 

And of course I wasn't peeping around the door watching it.

 

The registry entries for XP's PowerCfg settings are really extensive and ridiculously intermingled with each other, so it's no surprise to me that changing what appears to be a setting for one thing, has fixed another. I'll let you know if it starts acting up again.

 

Don't you just love computers.

:)

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Yes, that is quite amazing.

 

However, it is difficult sometimes to know what causes it, if it be in the older install/removed registry keys causing this, prior malware infection removals, system file removals, older drivers (or a newer buggy driver!), windows updates, the system bios settings, or the power config settings themselves.

 

Recently, had a 32 bit 7 install on a machine I had, that installed fine, but the start menu came up without the My Documents folder (never happened before?)

Yeah, don't u just love computers!

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Glad you got it fixed Dennis. Computers can really annoy you sometimes; when I was reinstalling my computer with Ubuntu 11.10 a few days ago, I went downstairs to get a drink and such for a few minutes, and let the installation continue. Came back up to check the status of the installation and found that the screen had gone black due to inactivity (kind of like a screensaver I suppose). I thought nothing of it and moved the mouse around a bit until the screen came up again and guess what... just being gone for a few minutes and sending the screen into hibernation had messed up my install and given me a corrupt CD error. Then of course I had no OS to boot into, and long story short, I had to reinstall a second time.

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It's staggering how complicated the reg entries are for PowerCfg.

 

Apart from all the different USERS and CURRENTUSER entries for the various monitor off settings, there's also the various hard drive spindown options, and if just one of those entries is corrupt in any way you've got problems.

 

And as shown in that link and all the comments, that mouse checkbox has a lot to answer for.

 

Fingers crossed, it's still working as it should.

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No, as I don't want a screensaver running at all while I'm converting video. I've learned from painful experience that conversion glitches usually happen if something else kicks in or is running during the process, hence the monitor off choice.

 

Is monitor off different from a blank screensaver?

 

Just wondering... They both blank the screen, don't they?

 

Or am I missing something?

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It's so easy to introduce a glitch when either ripping or converting video, that you'll sometimes see this option in the settings of some rippers/converters ...

 

2011_10_18_195943.jpg

 

... and this from the help file explaining why ...

Disable Screensaver when Processing

 

This option can improve performance and prevent interruptions during the copy process.

 

I do a lot of converting, and the monitor power down is also a better choice than having the monitor burning away for hours on end with a blank screen.

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It's so easy to introduce a glitch when either ripping or converting video, that you'll sometimes see this option in the settings of some rippers/converters ...

 

That part, I understand perfectly, as I also have ripped movies into different formats in time past.

What I am trying to understand here, is how a blank screensaver is different from a blank monitor?

I thought a blank screensaver does make the monitor blank.

 

I do understand the part about introducing a glitch when a screensaver kicks in, because most screensavers are animated, & this takes CPU time from what you are doing, causing a glitch as it struggles to "catch back up" with the video ripping task.

 

I am wondering how a blank screensaver would cause a glitch, since the only thing it would do, is blank the monitor?

Which is why I asked my prior question, have you tried another blank screensaver?

 

There are other companies that make blank screensavers, & you can even get different blank screensavers from different versions of Windows & copy to a flash drive, then copy back to your computer to test & see how they do.

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I think the point is being missed here is I don't want a screen saver at all, blank or otherwise.

 

I want my monitor to "power off", which is the whole point of having a "monitor off" function. If there wasn't a point to having that capability, then the feature wouldn't even exist.

 

"Monitor Off" = powered off.

 

"Screensaver = monitor still on.

 

And I think that's about all I can really say on the subject.

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At the risk of teaching Granny to suck eggs,

Have you scrutinised the event logs to see if there is any report of something preventing "Monitor off"

I have seen event logs reporting that some program or other would not let them Shut Down Windows.

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At the risk of teaching Granny to suck eggs,

Have you scrutinised the event logs to see if there is any report of something preventing "Monitor off"

I have seen event logs reporting that some program or other would not let them Shut Down Windows.

 

Thanks for the suggestion Alan, but it's been working fine since I mentioned that in post # 13.

 

 

Oh! So you want the monitor entirely off?

 

Why don't u try this? > http://www.dekisoft.com/download.htm

 

They have a freeware monitor off utility. Try it & let me know how it works for you. Sometimes 3rd party util work better than Windows inbuilt.

 

Same as what I've just mentioned to Alan. It's working fine since I made post #13

 

 

Come on guys, pay attention. :lol:

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