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On a personal level I would not use something which turned off or on a number of windows services all at once. (but thats just me)

 

I guess you are talking about Windows Firewall, Windows Updates, Bits etc which seem to be the main targets with most malware.

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On a personal level I would not use something which turned off or on a number of windows services all at once. (but thats just me)

 

I guess you are talking about Windows Firewall, Windows Updates, Bits etc which seem to be the main targets with most malware.

 

Its not going to trun on or off a number of services.

What it is going to do is set all the services startup type to their defaults.

Mimicking the list like on this page

http://www.blackviper.com/2010/12/17/black-vipers-windows-7-service-pack-1-service-configurations/

 

So it will be a safe repair. The only downfall is if say someone turned off a service like the annoying search indexer, after this repair and a reboot it would be running again. But like you said there are services that malware turns off.

 

Perhaps a middle ground path then? Instead of every single service just the important ones? While not touching any others.

 

Thoughts?

 

Shane

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I guess you are talking about Windows Firewall, Windows Updates, Bits etc which seem to be the main targets with most malware.

Even MSE turns off BITS, well at least it does on my XP system.

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Okay Shane let me say it a different way, I would not use a tool which altered the default state of a large number of services in one go.

 

I'm sure you have a good idea of which are the most targeted services by malware and would be the best ones to repair, just a handful I guess.

 

After all Windows does not help affected users much in letting them know what to repair. I was helping someone who had been infected and afterwards Windows told me that ''A system call that should never fail has failed'' A windsock repair fixed it, but how many casual users would know what to do?

 

@Andavari my Bits is set to manual.

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Okay Shane let me say it a different way, I would not use a tool which altered the default state of a large number of services in one go.

 

I'm sure you have a good idea of which are the most targeted services by malware and would be the best ones to repair, just a handful I guess.

 

After all Windows does not help affected users much in letting them know what to repair. I was helping someone who had been infected and afterwards Windows told me that ''A system call that should never fail has failed'' A windsock repair fixed it, but how many casual users would know what to do?

 

@Andavari my Bits is set to manual.

 

Already have a winsock repair in the repair tool so that's good :-)

 

On this "altered the default state" I wont be changing their default states I will be putting them back to their defaults. Being put back to the defaults that Windows set them at should be extremely safe.

 

I will just go through all 200+ services on black vipers site and get the defaults Windows has for all of them.

 

Shane

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Shane when I said 'altered the default state' I meant the state of my services that I had on my machine at the time.

 

We seem to be misunderstanding each other.

 

There is no way I would run a tool that could possibly set every windows service I had running to another state.

 

However I would possibly consider running a tool that would reset , firewall, updates etc back to default.

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Why would one disable BITS? My MSSE doesn't touch it, and I have never altered it. I thought it was required for windows updates to function properly.

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Why would one disable BITS? My MSSE doesn't touch it, and I have never altered it. I thought it was required for windows updates to function properly.

My sons gave my daughter an iPod.

I was devastated.

 

So that my daughter could recharge her iPod from one of my USB2 ports, With Utter Loathing and Detestation,

I had to install itunes or some such rubbish that comes complete with a Bonjour service that steals 80+% of the CPU.

I blocked that load of rubbish from the Internet, and turned of any auto-update options I could find.

I told Comodo Firewall that iTunes must not have the Internet.

 

APPLE BLASTED THROUGH THE BARRIERS AND UPDATED REGARDLESS.

 

That is when I decided BITS is a Trojan Horse and I turned it off.

iTunes never received any more updates after that.

 

With BITS off I have no problem with Security updates which are delivered to me.

I think I read that BITS is needed when Going to Microsoft to collect other updates/products,

but I have never yet felt the need to go "looking for trouble"

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Shane when I said 'altered the default state' I meant the state of my services that I had on my machine at the time.

 

We seem to be misunderstanding each other.

 

There is no way I would run a tool that could possibly set every windows service I had running to another state.

 

However I would possibly consider running a tool that would reset , firewall, updates etc back to default.

 

What services have you changed from their MS defaults?

 

I know you didnt change every single one of them, so not sure why you are against the services you haven't touched still being set to what they currently are. So I am curious to what services you did change :-)

 

For example, for my self I HATE the search indexer. And always have it off. I would prefer it stay off. Since it isnt an important service I think I will have the repair skip it. SO what other services are not important but resource hogs that I can have it skip?

 

Shane

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Like you, indexer gets turned off straight away :)

 

But what I turn off depends on what operating system I am using, also I think it also comes down to personal choice, what you feel comfortable with. For example I don't share files or allow Team Viewer type connections (remote desktop) That is what I mean about personal choice.

 

Probably the vast majority of potential users of your software wouldn't be concerned about what was off or on.

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Like you, indexer gets turned off straight away :)

 

But what I turn off depends on what operating system I am using, also I think it also comes down to personal choice, what you feel comfortable with. For example I don't share files or allow Team Viewer type connections (remote desktop) That is what I mean about personal choice.

 

Probably the vast majority of potential users of your software wouldn't be concerned about what was off or on.

 

True. And for techs like us we wouldn't need a repair like this. These repairs are for techs fixing systems, or home users trying to fix stuff.

 

What if one of the things a person is trying to repair is the windows search being slow? They need the search indexer.

 

So perhaps doing them all is best perhaps not. I have my simple performance boost program a user can run off the site after the repairs to get some speed back.

 

I am worried if a person runs this one repair and their older system slows down because more bull crap MS services are running. But at the same time what about users who have important services that need to be running.

 

This repair really is a double edged sword. No matter what you win and lose it seems.

 

And the biggest thing is the users who dont bother reading anything and just run everything. Now this wont hurt anything, but if more services are back to their defaults there system could become a little slower. Then they bash my repair tool.

 

I am also getting mixed feedback from users on this new repair idea. Some love it, some hate it.

 

Shane

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Like you, indexer gets turned off straight away :)

Still using XP SP3 here, Hazel. Does this affect overall system performance? Do you have it set to "Manual" or "Disabled"?

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Still using XP SP3 here, Hazel. Does this affect overall system performance? Do you have it set to "Manual" or "Disabled"?

 

The search indexer I have set to disabled and is one of my tweaks in my simple performance boost program.

http://www.tweaking.com/content/page/simple_performance_boost.html

 

On older systems with 1 cpu you will see a huge decrease in performance as it takes the cpu to catalog everything. Then the more files you have on your system the larger the catalog and the more cpu it needs to work with it.

 

Drives me nuts. So off it goes. All it means is searches are slower. I can live with that :-)

 

This is for XP and newer.

 

Shane

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New version of WindowsRepair available soon (tomorrow). It includes an option that sets Windows Services back to their safe/default settings. And if any one doesn't like one or more default settings then they alsways can manually put those services back to one's favourite setting. Please run it and see if it causes any errors.

This story brings up the question: does anyone know the MSDOS command (if it exists !!) to put one or more services to a desired state ?

 

WR already has helped me once to get Windows (XP SP 3) back to a stable footing. Had been tinkering/messing around with some services in an attempt to replicate two odd system messages I never came across before. Then the system reported that it had become instable and had to be shut down. But after a restart, WR was helpful to restore the system back to the default (&safe) settings.

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As with every repair in the program I made the repair a stand alone exe as well.

 

I would like to get more testers and feedback before I put out the new windows repair with it.

 

So if you would give this a try and let me know :-)

http://www.tweaking.com/content/page/set_windows_services_to_default_startup.html

 

Shane

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It is an entirely different animal to the Piriform applications, and also it may help if more people went to your site with their input on testing that way you can keep it all 'in house' I guess.

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Concerning the ongoing discussion on the topic of Windows Services:

1. At TWEAKING.com (http://www.tweaking.com) there's a program available, called System Information Tool (SIT), that allows to user to see, among other things, in what state the Window services are (Stopped or Started) and whether a service is Disabled, Manual or Automatic. So, before running Windows Repair with the Reset Windows Services box ticked, the user can create an overview/snapshot of what the lastest state of those services were. With this knowledge the user can put individual services back to the user's preferred state. Because I know there's a MS-DOS (cmd.exe) command that allows the user to manipulate Windows services. And then the user can put a number of these commands in a batch file in order to put a number of services back to the user's preferred state with one mouse click after running WindowsRepair.

 

2. Windows Repair v1.5.1 is out. It seems Black Viper's info on Window services isn't flawless/up to date and that's why this (version of this) program (WindowsRepair) needs more testing. Please post any comments concerning Windows Repair on the Tweaking.com forum and NOT in this thread. (Hazelnut ;) ???)

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For those (Hazelnut ???) who want to write their own batch file in order to set one or more Window Services to their own favourite state, (e.g. after running Windows Repair) here's the Microsoft's Technet website page with more info about the SC command:

http://technet.micro...y/bb490995.aspx

WARNING: Only for advanced users !!!

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I ran the program Windows Repair with the option ""Set Services to default value"". ticked. But now my laptop doesn't respond anymore when I push the ""scan"" button on the scanner. I have a question for those who read this and have a scanner: In what state is the service called ""WIA Windows Image Aquisition"" on your computer ? Demand/Manual or Auto ? It's now "Demand"" on my laptop. Should it be ""Auto"" ?

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My printer is a psc. (printer/scanner/copier) Willy. Not sure if that counts as the same as a standalone scanner.

 

However WIA is on Auto for me and I did a scan yesterday.

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I will get the service set to auto in the repair :-)

 

Black vipers site had it as manual. I will get it changed sometime today (have to wrap gifts)

 

Merry christmas!

 

Shane

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"WIA Windows Image Aquisition" - I remember it well.

 

A new application failed to operate.

I eventually tracked it down to W.I.A being at manual instead of Automatic.

I set the service to Automatic and then number one priority was to find a COMPETENT replacement application,

after which back to manual and forget the defective application.

 

I consider it gross incompetence for a developer to release software that depends upon a service,

but is unable to demand what is set as "on demand".

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Perhaps I should just remove WIA from the repair. It isnt critical and will help avoid problems like this for people. It is another windows service that starts out set one way but gets changed per user setup.

 

Better to avoid it dont you think?

 

Shane

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