212eta Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Since CCleaner has a Registry Cleaner, it would be nice to have a Tool for Registry Deftagmentation. In that case, CCleaner would offer a -Complete- Registry Maintenance. The most effective Registry Cleaners have a Tool for Registry Deftagmentation. Wouldn't it be nice if CCleaner had one, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
212eta Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 -Don't you believe that Registry Defragmentation is important? Many experts argue that is more important than Registry Cleaning! -Can a Tool for Registry Defragmentation be added to CCleaner? -Is it possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comper6 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Registry Defragmentation is pretty much the same thing as registry cleaner with little difference The computer is mightier than the sword Click here for cool stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerdFencer Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 From what I understand (and I am not really an expert so don't bash me if I get something wrong here), Registry "Defragmenting" otherwise known as Registry "Compacting" differs a lot from traditional Registry Cleaning. In registry cleaning, unneeded or unwanted registry entries are removed, this leaves "gaps" in the registry so that the computer does not have to re-write most of, or all of the registry back to the disk without that space. Similarly, when values are written to the registry where there is no blank area, they are appended to the end, resulting in the "fragmentation" of information. When defragmenting or compacting the registry, these spaces are removed and entries placed in their proper locations. This can result in both a decrease in space used by the registry, and a performance increase for registry operations. I cannot give an estimate for the performance gain, but I can for the for the lessening of space used by the registry. On my computer, I reduced the size of the registry by 7% by compacting my registry. (I used 3 tools in verifying this because I was skeptical) To me, this seems like a useful and reasonable addition to CCleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
212eta Posted April 11, 2009 Author Share Posted April 11, 2009 From what I understand (and I am not really an expert so don't bash me if I get something wrong here), Registry "Defragmenting" otherwise known as Registry "Compacting" differs a lot from traditional Registry Cleaning. In registry cleaning, unneeded or unwanted registry entries are removed, this leaves "gaps" in the registry so that the computer does not have to re-write most of, or all of the registry back to the disk without that space. Similarly, when values are written to the registry where there is no blank area, they are appended to the end, resulting in the "fragmentation" of information. When defragmenting or compacting the registry, these spaces are removed and entries placed in their proper locations. This can result in both a decrease in space used by the registry, and a performance increase for registry operations. I cannot give an estimate for the performance gain, but I can for the for the lessening of space used by the registry. On my computer, I reduced the size of the registry by 7% by compacting my registry. (I used 3 tools in verifying this because I was skeptical) To me, this seems like a useful and reasonable addition to CCleaner. Registry Defragmentation or Registry Compact or Registry Compression all refer to Reducing the Registry Size without Removing Data; just empty space. As a result less RAM and less Hard Disk space is required to store the Registry of the system. Registry Cleaning may help or not a System. BUT Registry Defragmentation or Registry Compact or Registry Compression will Definitely speed up Performance. Every Reliable Registry Cleaner has a Tool for Registry Defragmentation or Registry Compact or Registry Compression. -Why CCleaner shouldn't have it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireryone Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Sounds like a good idea , in the mean time there are other free registry defraggers. fireryone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
212eta Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 Sounds like a good idea , in the mean time there are other free registry defraggers. We all want CCleaner to have the most useful Tools. -Wipe Free Space was a nice addition. Let's hope that other useful Tools will follow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergio Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 I like the idea compacting your registry is far more impacting then just cleaning it if ccleaner could do this it would be even better also i think they should increase there registry search build because if i bought a $100 registry cleaner it would find far more issues then ccleaner so hopefully they come up with more things to do then just memory cleaner and registry clean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Nergal Posted May 10, 2009 Moderators Share Posted May 10, 2009 Developers PLZ don't do what you did with Wipe free space and bow to the pressure of "defrag" requests. we've all seen the pains WFS has caused many users, we've seen the pains the gentle reg cleaner has caused many many (mis)users plz for the love of dog (my dog of course ) don't add this feature keep ccleaner a crap cleaner simple ADVICE FOR USING CCleaner'S REGISTRY INTEGRITY SECTION DON'T JUST CLEAN EVERYTHING THAT'S CHECKED OFF. Do your Registry Cleaning in small bits (at the very least Check-mark by Check-mark) ALWAYS BACKUP THE ENTRY, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'LL BREAK IF YOU DON'T. Support at https://support.ccleaner.com/s/?language=en_US Pro users file a PRIORITY SUPPORT via email support@ccleaner.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
212eta Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 Developers PLZ don't do what you did with Wipe free space and bow to the pressure of "defrag" requests. we've all seen the pains WFS has caused many users, we've seen the pains the gentle reg cleaner has caused many many (mis)users plz for the love of dog (my dog of course ) don't add this feature keep ccleaner a crap cleaner simple Following your 'Spirit', lets "improve" CCleaner even further by Removing its -Registry Cleaner -Wipe Free Space -System Restore just because some users misused these features. Now, there are some users who misused the 'Startup' and 'Uninstall' Tools, too. -Why don't we Remove these Tools in addition? Let's Strip CCleaner Down even further (instead of adding/improving features). Nice way of "Thinking"... What's next? -Degrading CCleaner to an ATF Cleaner-like Tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_d_b Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 I would also like to see a registry defragmentation tool please, it would make CCleaner more complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishan_rulz Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 This should be added to defraggler, no? Simplicity is hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
212eta Posted August 13, 2009 Author Share Posted August 13, 2009 This should be added to defraggler, no? No. We are referring to CCleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disk4mat Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 I once made the same request some time ago. So I still support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 these are good options,,i always recommend the freeware registry defrag from winaso,and after that the ntregopt. to make the registry smaller and more efficient.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_B Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I vote with Nergal and ishan_rulz. I prefer CCleaner as a safe utility that errs on the side of caution. If anyone wants more thorough cleaning, use a different cleaner. You can get more aggressive (dangerous) cleaner for FREE. You do not have to spend $100 to remove more junk. Just $19 will give you death by a thousand cuts - or you could have got it for free on 11 August at http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/2009/08/11/ Every day I visit www.giveawayoftheday.com to see the "special for today". If I think it might be useful I visit in the morning ready to download and install etc etc. If it is is another file / registry cleaner I visit in the evening to see how many people have managed to get back on line after re-installing Windows following a disaster caused by "today's free bargain". I have suffered daily BSODS all the way from DOS 3.? through to Windows 98. XP is a lot better. I do not know if it is better at being error free, or better at concealing its errors to reduce Help Desk work load ! ! I always expect a BSOD. I am able to HOPE a simple file deletion or registry key deletion that is interrupted by a BSOD or power failure will either cleanly accomplish its task, or cleanly do no damage at all, and a normal reboot will follow. I have no such hope for any defragmentation that involves moving stuff around. I would fear that a BSOD might interrupt in mid-shuffle, and there might be no reboot if vital items are not in the expected places. When I see the defraggler forum I hear a voice - "Beware all ye who enter here" ! ! I admire those adventurous spirits. They may appreciate a registry defragmenter. I use ERUNT which makes a registry backup each morning. When I wish to remove "empty space" in the registry I will use NTREGOPT, BUT only immediately after a clean reboot and a fresh registry backup so that if a BSOD trashes the registry I can immediately restore from the ERUNT backup. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ident Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 the supposidly .0000003% performance boost it gives does not out weigh the dangers imo No fate but what we make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
212eta Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share Posted October 18, 2009 I vote with Nergal and ishan_rulz. I prefer CCleaner as a safe utility that errs on the side of caution. If anyone wants more thorough cleaning, use a different cleaner. You can get more aggressive (dangerous) cleaner for FREE. You do not have to spend $100 to remove more junk. Just $19 will give you death by a thousand cuts - or you could have got it for free on 11 August at http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/2009/08/11/ Every day I visit www.giveawayoftheday.com to see the "special for today". If I think it might be useful I visit in the morning ready to download and install etc etc. If it is is another file / registry cleaner I visit in the evening to see how many people have managed to get back on line after re-installing Windows following a disaster caused by "today's free bargain". I have suffered daily BSODS all the way from DOS 3.? through to Windows 98. XP is a lot better. I do not know if it is better at being error free, or better at concealing its errors to reduce Help Desk work load ! ! I always expect a BSOD. I am able to HOPE a simple file deletion or registry key deletion that is interrupted by a BSOD or power failure will either cleanly accomplish its task, or cleanly do no damage at all, and a normal reboot will follow. I have no such hope for any defragmentation that involves moving stuff around. I would fear that a BSOD might interrupt in mid-shuffle, and there might be no reboot if vital items are not in the expected places. When I see the defraggler forum I hear a voice - "Beware all ye who enter here" ! ! I admire those adventurous spirits. They may appreciate a registry defragmenter. I use ERUNT which makes a registry backup each morning. When I wish to remove "empty space" in the registry I will use NTREGOPT, BUT only immediately after a clean reboot and a fresh registry backup so that if a BSOD trashes the registry I can immediately restore from the ERUNT backup. Alan Mr. Alan_B, You are -ALWAYS- Negative to New Ideas! You acted with exactly the same way when users proposed a Context/Shell Option for a File Shredder/Eraser! A Registry Defragmentation Tool can be OPTIONAL (like the Wipe Free Space). If you don't want it, you canNot select the relevant box with a Check-Mark. There are users who are Not satisfied with NTREGOPT. In my system, NTREGOPT has been very problematic! Besises, I'd like a -FREE- Single Tool to do ALL these: a) Clean my Junk Files. Clean my Registry. c) Defrag my Registry. d) Erase Files/Folders & Wipe Free Space. e) Defrag my Hard Disks. It would be even better this Tool to give users the Option to Activate the Features they want/need. Frankly, I don't understand the tendency/attitude of some members: Whenever someone makes a Suggestion, they attack it as if they do NOT want CCleaner to be FURTHER Developed!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ident Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Frankly, I don't understand the tendency/attitude of some members: Whenever someone makes a Suggestion, they attack it as if they do NOT want CCleaner to be FURTHER Developed!!! I dont think alan is being negative. He is very much like me in looking at the dangers in new ideas. CCleaner has probably the best reputation on the web for being the safest cleaner. I think it's more to do with looking out for other people with less experience then attackting the idea as you suggested. The amount of people i have come across with a pc optimizer or system maintenance tool that just simple go threw every available option clicking fix/scan/delete never cease to amaze me, and not for any wrong doing on there own behalf, they just do it because the option is there, so it must be safe to do so right? CCleaner is a fantastic yet safe as safe can be when cleaning is concerned. I'm all for keeping it that way. sam No fate but what we make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 just plain and simple..after using ccleane,use your registry defragmenter... ..for some people i believe they don't even defragment hard drives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ident Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 just plain and simple..after using ccleane,use your registry defragmenter.....for some people i believe they don't even defragment hard drives... http://www.mydefrag.com/forum/index.php?topic=1487.0;wap2 No fate but what we make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
212eta Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 http://www.mydefrag.com/forum/index.php?topic=1487.0;wap2 "Unlike Registry Cleaners, defragmenting the Registry can improve performance. Paging and Registry file fragmentation can be one of the leading causes of performance degradation related to file fragmentation in a system." [Mark Russinovich, Ph.D.- SysInternals] Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ident Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 It's utterly pointles. The only thing that would improve is boot time by defragging the registry file which isn't registry defragging per se, as in you're not defragging the registry, you are defragging the file that the registry gets saved into. It will only improve boot/startup time, it will not improve standard system performance. But this is getting off track. No fate but what we make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
212eta Posted November 8, 2009 Author Share Posted November 8, 2009 The only thing that would improve is boot time by defragging the registry file which isn't registry defragging per se, as in you're not defragging the registry, you are defragging the file that the registry gets saved into. It will only improve boot/startup time, it will not improve standard system performance. Even if that "Only" happens (i.e. Boot/StartUp-Time Improvement), users can gain something from Registry Defragmentation. -BUT- This is Not the Entire Issue: A Fragmented Registry (i.e. a Registry Full of Gaps) can Definitely Reduce System Performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scriptdaemon Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 It would make more sense to add this to Defraggler, since that is a defragging program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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