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Yes, Hazelnut, it is. Thank you. I wondered about that because the naming convention is different. That file name is FirefoxPortableLegacy52_52.9.0_English.paf. . . Earlier files saved here are named like : FirefoxPortableESR_52.7.4_English.paf FirefoxPortableESR_52.8.1_English.paf, etc Also, thanks patrickdrd, but ffox here runs sandboxed so I can't update it "on the fly". Upside is that if anything goes blooey it is easily fixed. Downside is the time required to make changes, updates, etc,

CCleaner version 5.22 Pro, updates now expired. Also ms office 97 and windows xp. All OK so far. Seriously, I think CCleaner is among the best trash removers, good balance of effective vs overkill. Still though, if the time comes when its behavior can't be controlled, into the abyss it goes. Along with soooo many other softwares that got too big for their britches.

This version, 52.8.1, suggests to update to 52.9.0. Is the portableapps com version up yet? There are little firefoxes all over the place, but not portable version 52.9.0 esr, only installers?

Thank you, trium.

GASP!! Another one bites the dust. Serious question. What is the latest ESR version you guys can run on xp, assuming it has the necessary processor capabilities? I have had success up to 52.8.0, will try 52.8.1 when time permits.

Fwiw, I have used a number of defrag, recovery, and drive wiping softwares that require a long time to complete. Oddly, none that I remember can predict time to completion very well. They all seem to jump around like you describe. No idea why.

Works here using ff 52.8.0 ESR on win xp.

Must say I agree with Tr3bg0D's main points. What matters is how the software behaves, not what you call it . . . spyware, malware, analytics, whatever. Agree with Andavari also, the data collecting trend is a steamroller. Its probably more trouble than it's worth to stop it nowadays, at least for mere mortal user like me. However, any suggestion that such collection is inevitable, or harmless, or necessary for the software to function is questionable.

Tas sort of kept his light under a bushel, as the saying goes. Knew more than he let on, as they say. Gonna miss him here. Au revoir, Tas.

Thanks, trium, for the encouragement. I should explain a bit, I guess. I like the idea that the antivirus has a sort of emergency backup that is tough. Don't like when the firewall starts warning about my AV software without any explanation or prior notice. Posted that on the avast forum. No reply yet. Don't really expect one. And it may be that the real reason for this change was something entirely different. https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=210028.30

Thanks for the information. Not a good move by avast, imho. Sad.

nice one.

Thanks, Hazelnut.

Speaking of software issues, the double post just above here is the 2nd or 3rd time I though I had deleted the contents of a post but had not.

Thanks, Alan. Picture is gone now, offer expired anyway. It was a big file.

Hi, Alan_B. Sorry for the scare. As far as I could tell, nothing in that post would run without asking. Checked that several times before posting. That link now goes to a page saying that the offer expired. That picture is what loaded so slowly, I guess. It is there to show how to save the installer and run it later. I don't know how to attach it as a thumbnail so it will load faster. How does one do that with the new forum software?

Is that the digital version of casing the neighborhood or sizing up the mark? I heard some guy I know use those terms.

Thanks for the alert and the reminder. Not that any of us ever need reminded.

Thanks, would have missed it. Will dnld it for family. My office suite is so old that it pops an alarm by Avast. True. Took a screenshot.

Craig, have you made sure the contacts are clean for the vid card and any other pluggable hardware like RAM? Easily done, usually just unplug them a time or two, but if it the contacts have darkened a pencil eraser will magically brighten them up.

See these references about default & manual scheduling: https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/defragment-hard-drive-windows ... Windows 10, like Windows 8 and Windows 7 before it, automatically defragments files for you on a schedule (by default, once a week). ... So with SSDs, just let Windows do its thing and don't worry about defragmentation. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/8963-change-optimize-drives-schedule-settings-windows-10-a.html ... By default, Optimize Drives, previously called Disk Defragmenter, runs automatically on a weekly schedule https://davescomputertips.com/windows-10-quick-tips-scheduled-defrag/ ... Those of you with keen eyes also noticed that Windows is supposed to run this optimization every week. ... Windows 10 cannot be trusted when it comes to scheduling things ... Edit: I didn't notice the date of the original post before I commented. Still though I think it's worth noting that Andavari was correct. Unless of course I have managed to completely miss the point of yet another post. With all that said, a user might still wish to defrag manually, maybe on a schedule. I have used Defraggler off and on for a while, mostly like mta described.

Got it, thanks.

Wonder what those characters are that start of the 1st post? Looks like an apostrophe and 3 periods. These seem harmless but I remember a while back that someone hid some malicious links like that. No offense meant to inteltek2, just wondering.

http://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/builds . . . opens builds page all 3 versions show http://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/download/slim/downloadfile . . . downloads ccsetup540_slim.exe edit: running win xp, uBlock origin, Avast