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  1. Is it bad to wipe free space on a SSD?

    My topic has got locked, but MrT has been in contact with me. This is what I wrote back to him: Well, we stopped the testing after confirming it with 3 SSDs on a Win 7 x64 platform. My writer's assistant has been doing some research on the specific Write File Windows API, and actually has found that it is frowned upon the SSD community. What that API does is write to any space on the hard drive that currently has no files, or files that aren't allocated by windows resources or programs...then completely delete that space. My contact with OCZ in their inspection of the returned drives has found that the firmware has been erased. Without any present firmware on a SSD, it makes it completely invisible to both Bios and Windows. However, the SSD can still be recovered, but by no conventional means.
  2. CCleaner and SSD

    LoL, most enterprise businesses don't need an attorney to say whether or not they would take on the case. Most enterprise businesses have attorneys of their own or attorneys under retainer. We have seen many many similar suits under the same conditions. The vast majority don't win, but they do create wonderful attorney and court fees for the defendant. Getting back to the true issue, is actually having the developers recognize even the slightest problem WFS has on Solid State Drive. Then after considering that the feature isn't beneficial anyway to Solid State Drive, to take the necessary steps to disable it when the software recognizes a Solid State Drive. It's just one small program coding change and won't take much time for the developers to institute.
  3. CCleaner and SSD

    Absolutely, WFS is not needed on Solid State Drives. That's why I believe Piriform should take the necessary action to permanently disable the feature when it detects a SSD. Also ishan, just like I mentioned before, I did not intend to make any threats. What I meant about the legal action statement is that enterprise businesses and even mainstream users who find themselves in this mess can file legal action against Piriform. This doesn't mean they will win or anything, but it can cause quite the hassle. Enterprise solutions who come across this problem have a lot on their plate to lose. My statement was made to make Piriform aware of the repercussions. I for one, nor our site would ever file legal action. It is our job to run across these issues and to test it on a variety of setups. Not sure why we would file legal action when we are the ones putting ourselves in these situations.
  4. CCleaner and SSD

    Guys, let's start by saying I am not making any threats. I love CCleaner and the developers who put such quality time into it. I came onto these forums to shed light on a major catastrophic bug that CCleaner has in regards with Solid State Drives. The site that I write for has often featured CCleaner and all of our staff use it. However, since there is a major move from traditional hard drives to solid state drives as of lately, this incompatibility needs a lot of attention. One of my writer assistants came across this and brought it to my attention. We then proceeded to test it on a multitude of Solid State Drives (we have a stock pile of them), and each test produced almost identical results. Only at this time did I directly write Piriform to explain this issue. That email went unanswered and I was directed to post it in these forums. This is exactly what I did. I am in contact with OCZ to see if they can also replicate the issue. My presence here in these forums is only to inform Piriform of the issue and also the repercussions they may have to deal with both in the mainstream and enterprise markets. I will continue using CCleaner and so will all the staff for our site. They have been informed by memo to not use "Wipe Free Space" if any of them are currently using Solid State Drives. My writer's assistant is drafting up an article to be announced on our site. It is unanimous amongst our staff that we want to publish this article because of the increasing amount of Solid State Drive users out there and the vast population of CCleaner users.
  5. CCleaner and SSD

    Can you please explain the process of how you tried to reproduce this problem. What was the configuration used and what Solid State Drives did you test? I am a writer for a review/news site and we have tested this with an OCZ Vertex with firmware 1.5, and OCZ Agility with firmware 1.5 and also a Kingston SSDNow M-Series all on a MSI 790fx-gd70 board using Windows 7 x64 Ultimate. Each "Wipe Free Space" operation would get stuck approx at 5%. After about 5 minutes of nothing, the computer reboots and then a Windows boot error displays. On further investigation, the bios doesn't even recognize the drives. Meaning then, Windows can't even be reinstalled on the drive because it does not display. I know that CCleaner does use Windows API, however it tends to get complicated with SSDs. Windows 7 automatically disables certain operations when it detects a SSD. My assumption is that CCleaner is using something that isn't meant to be used when a SSD is detected. Not sure if this problem can be linked directly back to Windows or just left at the door of piriform. All in all, I'm afraid to announce, but we will be making our findings public in about a week.
  6. CCleaner and SSD

    Has this been investigated. I have confirmed this on two SSD's. This is a very major issue and one that could also cause legal action against Piriform.
  7. CCleaner and SSD

    I have been using CCleaner for quite some time. I love the program. I however ran across something that could be detrimental to SSD users. Your option to "wipe free space" completely renders a SSD useless. Solid State Drives have reserved space on the drives for firmware and extra space. The "wipe free space" doesn't see these files as allocated by the operating system, thus removing them. Without any firmware on the drive, there is no way to flash firmware on it because both the bios and the operating system can not locate the drive. The only way for this problem to be fixed is for the drive to be sent back to the manufacturer. I recommend that CCleaner makes the "wipe free space" option impossible to select if it detects a SSD, or that the program is updated to recognize essential reserved space on SSD's and skip over them.
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