Yes I thought of this - I could actually, create a shortcut with a hotkey to a simple batch file, run my closing programs in it, run ccleaner /auto and even a final little program to shut down the computer, of which there are manu. Call my picky, but it seemed clumsy to start an einstance of the command shell, and run several programs -- when one program had a shutdown option. More artistic to use the one program to do closing tasks. But running a special shell, just to run a vb script, which itself just runs my program -- aint too artistic either!