After numerous discussions on the addition of the toolbar, i thought i would start a few polls. The first one simply asks "Which versions of Ccleaner do you use?" the second "What is your opinion on the addition of a toolbar in Ccleaner?". Please take time to vote and hopefully together we can muster enough public opinion to completely remove the toolbar from All versions of Ccleaner.

It is not only a bad thing for the users of Ccleaner but is also worrying for the future direction of what is a great program(the one without the toolbar)

Which versions of Ccleaner do you use?

What is your opinion on the addition of a toolbar in Ccleaner?

Edit:

I forgot to mention which ones actually includes the toolbar, hmm oops.

Standard - All languages and toolbar included

Basic - All languages and no toolbar included

Slim - Only english and no toolbar included

All builds can be found here

i would sooner pay for ccleaner than get it free with a toolbar.

Good poll englishmen.

Englishmen next time just tell me and I'll make you a poll on the forum.

I'm glad everyone thinks its a good idea, rridgely i mentioned the poll idea here and as your a mod i assumed you must have read it and for one reason or another didn't do it, ill pm you next time .

I think as the poll is started and votes already registered it wouldn't be a good i dear to start a new poll but maybe you could make it a sticky so i does not get lost among the other posts. I have also posted a similar thread on the Msfn and newowin forums with links to the polls so starting a new poll would also discount votes made by memeber of those forums.

After reading all this stuff about the Yahoo toolbar, which honestly I don't understand....

Should I switch back to the other version of CC that I had?

Marc

No, just download the Basic version, or the Slim version if your native tongue is English.

Me too. Good poll.

Which versions of CCleaner do you use?
Latest version, slim build.

What is your opinion on the addition of a toolbar in CCleaner?
It sucks, really.

Ditto.

y do we need a poll on this topic... we all know the result...

Tis true. But the poll just puts it in perspective. You know, if MrG sees a poll that says 67 users voted "No Toolbar", while 2 voted "Yes Toolbar", that makes a bigger impression than a million different new threads saying "the Toolbar sux!" and "no it don't, you do!"

I concur.

When I voted no I got the only 2 popups I have had in months. Maybe the toolbar has a toolbar?

I don't think he will care.

There are about 7 he's and 1 she posting here. Which one were you referencing? And if you personally don't care, why waste the post telling us?

No, I was saying that I doubt that MrG will care if people whine against the toolbar or not, he's there for the advertisement. ($$$)

Oh, I see. Perhaps he will and perhaps he won't, but there are alternatives to including the toolbar installer right into the program. He could simply have CCleaner give a link to the Yahoo! Toolbar, for example. I would hope that the majority of CCleaner's purpose is still to help out the user...

If lots of people show that they don't want a toolbar integrated (by means of a poll), it could give MrG a better idea of the opinions of the consumers. No, it isn't very flattering to have it suggested that features be removed, but it needs to be made clear, regardless.

A poll would simply keep those features in one place.

Another worrying thing is that there has been no word from MrG about the toolbar, i.e. he understands are frustration but it is necessary to keep it Ccleaner free or he does not care what we think etc.

Edit: Maybe its because its taking some time to remove it

I have no idea how many people use Ccleaner, but the 14 million downloads give some indication to that. My guess is that several million Ccleaner users exist.

Now we have a poll, and out of these several million users, 66 have voted. 37 have voted to get rid of it.

Talk about nothing...

It is very few in terms of the complete CCleaner user base but i doubt very much that several million people know the poll exist.

Umm... where is the poll? I didn't realize rridgely had actually made one. I just searched for "poll" and nothing recent was listed.

Say what?

Is there actually a "poll", or just this thread talking about the poll? I haven't seen the actual poll yet. You know, where you can vote (like the antivirus poll).

You have to be joking(im not sure with you sometimes ) have you not read the first post in this thread?

http://forum.ccleaner.com/index.php?showtopic=4211&st=0

Actually, for once I was being serious!

I was confused because of this post by rridgely:



I was wondering if he had actually made an honest-to-goodness poll. But he didn't, right? I mean, by vote, you mean a post saying yes or no, right?

Sorry if I'm still missing something (which I most likely am). Too many graham crackers...

If you are 100% serious then . Read my first post in this thread very carefully I stated i have made some polls and please vote

Which versions of Ccleaner do you use?

What is your opinion on the addition of a toolbar in Ccleaner?

Or just check out my Sig.

Ah. Stupid lokoike. I shall never speak again. Thank you for the link.

<= some fool named lokoike, banging his head in shame; please ignore him

I do wonder about you some times lokoike.

You and me both, englishmen. You and me both...

Perhaps Rochip isn't the only one who could use a little electroshock therapy...

EDIT: By the by, I voted "Get rid of the damn thing" and "Slim version", in case you weren't curious.

OK, that's a good assumption. So let's just look at this forum's users. There are 3,649 registered users; 70 of these have bothered to vote in this important poll, and 40 have voted against the toolbar. That is 1.09%.

Now this shows how angry the world is about the new toolbar

40 out of 70 voters did not want the toolbar. So of the voters, 57.142857142857142857142857142857% of people don't want it. You wrote that there are "3,649 registered users". I would confidently say that at least 75% of those users have made only 1 post or less, so it seems silly to me to include people who haven't been a part of the CCleaner forum for months, or even years.

To say that only 1.09% of people don't want the toolbar is foolish. 57% don't want it. That is over one-half of the voting users. Your math lacks.

The poll will probably and unfornutately only get votes from people who know about this thread and actually pay attention to the links provided by englishmen, or that notice the links in his signature.

I doubt very much that it will generate allot of traffic hence I suspect many people who are CCleaner users have been getting it from their favourite download site and haven't even been to the forum once since it isn't after all highlighted and linked to from within the program in the About section. It isn't even linked to within the start menu program group. Most apps I've used that have a forum gladly and proudly link to their forum within the program and in plain site.

That is a good point Andavari abou there not being a link to the forum as there usually is in other products download page.

Softpedia have give Ccleaner the clean bill of health again after switching from the version with the toolbar to the version without the toolbar and no extra languages.

Ccleaner on Softpedia

How can people still argue about the issue when Softpedia doesn't even want the toolbar. It just shows ignorance that people have sometimes.

Argue about what?

I am just saying it in general that the toolbar is a bad idea.

No urge to start a flame, sorry.

Look at the download page for alternative builds.

"The following builds are for system admins and advanced users. They are not for distribution or mirroring."

There isnt any difference except that they come without the adware/spyware, and that the slim comes without any languages.
But he make it sound like they only for system admins and advanced users like if they were radically different.

Maybe he will go bananas on Softpeda for linking to the alternative builds?

"If you're gonna link to my software, you have to link to the spyware/adware infested version, damnit!"

Now why dont you want this software that comes with spyware?
Take it, cmon its freeware!!

I agree; not only were the alternate versions hidden, but they were also improperly labeled. The Basic version of CC 1.27 is just like every version of CCleaner that precedes it: all languages and no toolbar.

So basically, MrG is saying that every previous version of CCleaner released was intended for "system admins and advanced users". What a joke. Does that mean all of the beginner and intermediate computer users who have been using CCleaner for 2 years shouldn't have been doing so, because it wasn't intended for them?! I think not!

Why intentionally deceive the users? Where would he be without them?

By the way, this isn't meant to flame; I am simply making a point.

This bothers me too. The fact that the yahoo toolbar isn't mentioned as part of the standard build really bothers me. It makes MrG look shady, and it's a shame that he is creating this image for himself. It's false advertisement, and I think that it's illegal. Actually, I know that it's illegal.

Point taken. And many probably agree.

Very dissapointed.
Adding the toolbar like ccleaner has done has lowered my opinon and trust of the product enough to prompt me to register in this forum just to voice my opinon

I'm advising all my customers to uninstall Ccleaner until the tool bar is removed. I don't want them installing yahoo toolbar accidentally through following my advise.

Well there are two clean builds. Just send them to www.softpedia.com to download CCleaner, and tell them to pay attention to see that it doesn't have a disclaimer on the page such as includes adware/spyware/Yahoo toolbar.

But it shouldnt include any toolbar in the first place.
It goes against it spirits and goals.

Having used the program for about a year I had a certain amount of respect and trust for ccleaner. Now that I know that ccleaners management are quite happy abuse that respect and trust I will not be using their product or advising people to use their product.

Formost in my thoughts now is the fact they use deceptive means regardless what options they provide.

I no longer recommend it anymore. I still personally use the software though, perhaps because I am not aware of any good alternatives.
I hope I will find a free, open source alternative soon.

You might wanna check out ClearProg.

I'm still recommending CCleaner though.

If you do, please let us know. Who knows, hopefully it'll be made in Delphi!

Does anybody remember the name of the other little app, its like ccleaner and a user can add there own entries as well. I forgot the name, thanks.