StuartUK
Jan 18 2008, 10:09 AM
Had a go with 1.1.44 (BETA) and it seems to work fine. The ability to defragment a single, large file is potentially useful.
Couple of suggestions:
At the moment it can take a long time to respond to the [Stop] command. If it is working on a big file, it seems to complete it before stopping - which can take some time (minutes in some cases). Windows defrag always stops instantly. It would be nice if Defraggler also responded straight away - presumably leaving the file it was working on in whatever semi-defragmented state it had got to.
Another option that would be useful would be to bring all the free space together into one block after the files have been defragmented (Windows defrag calls it "compacting"). Otherwise, if you are short on free space and that free space is itself fragmented, then the next time you create a largish file, it will be fragmented right from the start.
Thanks
Stuart
adchia
Jan 18 2008, 11:32 PM
it seems to stop instantly for me....
unless I'm processing a large file. But then, windows disk defragmenter also has a delay before stopping...
MrRon
Jan 19 2008, 09:39 AM
We're currently looking at improving the stopping speed for larger files and hope to include a fix for this in the next release.
MrRon
thm
Jan 22 2008, 02:52 PM
QUOTE (StuartUK @ Jan 18 2008, 10:09 AM)

Another option that would be useful would be to bring all the free space together into one block after the files have been defragmented (Windows defrag calls it "compacting"). Otherwise, if you are short on free space and that free space is itself fragmented, then the next time you create a largish file, it will be fragmented right from the start.
Thanks
Stuart
--I think you will find that if you defrag the drive (right-click on drive name)
then Defraggler will attempt to defrag the freespace after it has defragged
the files. It's not perfect and sometimes takes a couple of goes, but it is
reasonably effective and a good compromise between speed and completeness.
- thm
DGMurdockIII
Jan 22 2008, 03:34 PM
why not uses a open source defrag program as a bases for Defraggler instead of starting from scratch here are a few ones you could look at if you want to do that
jkdefrag -
http://www.kessels.com/JkDefrag/UltraDefrag -
http://ultradefrag.sourceforge.net/
Garr3tt
Jan 22 2008, 09:06 PM
another suggestion would be to show the file being defragged on the bar situated at the bottom of the screen.... and an all time favorite, and performance must have, pagefile (be it offline or not) defrag

thanks
yours trully, Garrett

Edit: also moderators it would be great if u could please make this topic pined so that everyone could post their sugestions or feature reqsts in one place
hairbautt
Jan 24 2008, 12:31 AM
Have any of ya'll tried UltimateDefrag? Unfortunately it is not free, but one of the features is the ability to "archive" files to the center core of the HD (where it is slowest) and prioritize commonly used applications like games or the Windows directory to the outer core (where it is fastest).
Been using it for awhile and it seems to be a nice feature, so why not include it?
CTskifreak
Jan 24 2008, 12:42 AM
I think your theory is reversed. Doesn't it take less time to seek data if it store on a ring/layer that is closer to the center? The circumference (the edge of a circle) is smaller the closer you are - C=2(pi)r. Smaller radii would be closer to the center. 1 cm vs 5 cm.
AJ
thm
Jan 24 2008, 10:15 AM
Here is a very simple [but hopefully useful suggestion]...
It would be good to have two Defrag buttons, for example
"Defrag Selected"
"Defrag All Files"
...the "Defrag Selected" button would act as the "Defrag" button
does now, but the "Defrag All Files" button would effectively
select all files and launch a defrag in one click. Call me lazy,
but after effecting an analysis I would prefer not to have to
go over to select all files and then back to the existing Defrag button.
Maybe an even simpler thing to do would be to select all fragmented
files by default after an analysis. After all, if you don't want to do this
you would have to click around on those files that you do want to defrag,
(so one more click to deselect the "all" box wouldn't make much difference)
but it would make things a bit slicker for those that usually want to defrag
them all !
Opinions ??
-thm
thm
Jan 24 2008, 10:23 AM
Further to my earlier post (of a few minutes ago), here is another
suggestion as a possible alternative...
1) Leave the "Defrag" button as it is, but...
2) Change the right-click context menu on a drive to replace the current
"Defrag Drive" [which currently defrags files and freespace] with
three entries: "Defrag Files" [which would just do all the files],
"Defrag Freespace" [which would just compact the freespace], and
"Defrag Files + Freespace"
Would this be a better suggestion to my previous one ??
-thm
wout000
Jan 24 2008, 11:35 AM
Scheduler, or screensaver option would be nice
hairbautt
Jan 24 2008, 01:24 PM
QUOTE (CTskifreak @ Jan 23 2008, 07:42 PM)

I think your theory is reversed. Doesn't it take less time to seek data if it store on a ring/layer that is closer to the center? The circumference (the edge of a circle) is smaller the closer you are - C=2(pi)r. Smaller radii would be closer to the center. 1 cm vs 5 cm.
AJ
It does seem like it would be reverse, but:
QUOTE (DiskTrix Site)
If item 1 improves performance by 20%, Item 2 is improved by 50% and item 3 by 50% then the sum overall improvement is (1.20 x 1.50 x 1.50)-1 = 170%. Hard drive performance gain in this instance is 170%. The reality is that item 2 (access times) can actually be improved by well over 100% i.e. access times can be more than halved. If we run the equation again (1.20 X 2.00 X 1.50)-1 = 260%. This is actually worst case. We believe that average access times can be improved by 300% or more by the seek confinement achieved by "archiving" unused data to the inner tracks of your drive. if you punch 300% into the equation - overall performance gain is 440%.
http://www.disktrix.com/UDFaqs.htmI use the program and that's where my "archived" files are located.
Here's what I was talking 'bout in more detail.
QUOTE (DiskTrix Site)
Strategic File Placement Gives You Complete Control Over Which Files And Programs You Want Increased Performance From
Accelerate the performance of your favorite games, simulations and applications. UltimateDefrag lets you do it. Select individual programs or file types. e.g. Place your .exe and .dll files to the high performing areas of your hard drive and watch all your programs launch with amazing speed.
http://www.disktrix.com/UDDescription.htm
JDPower
Jan 24 2008, 05:35 PM
QUOTE (CTskifreak @ Jan 24 2008, 12:42 AM)

I think your theory is reversed. Doesn't it take less time to seek data if it store on a ring/layer that is closer to the center? The circumference (the edge of a circle) is smaller the closer you are - C=2(pi)r. Smaller radii would be closer to the center. 1 cm vs 5 cm.
AJ
Yes but the disk head has to move further to the centre of the disk giving a slower read time. The fastest part of the disk
is the outer edge.
CTskifreak
Jan 24 2008, 10:09 PM
It still doesn't make sense to me....the drive head is moving ridiculously fast anyway, isn't it? Wouldn't it be only, at worst, tenths of a second difference?
LOL...screw normal harddrives - Solid State Drives ftw!
AJ
JDPower
Jan 25 2008, 12:19 AM
QUOTE (CTskifreak @ Jan 24 2008, 10:09 PM)

It still doesn't make sense to me....the drive head is moving ridiculously fast anyway, isn't it? Wouldn't it be only, at worst, tenths of a second difference?
Yes but we are only talking milliseconds anyway.
Robin Hood
Jan 25 2008, 04:58 AM
QUOTE (thm @ Jan 22 2008, 02:52 PM)

--I think you will find that if you defrag the drive (right-click on drive name)
then Defraggler will attempt to defrag the freespace after it has defragged
the files. It's not perfect and sometimes takes a couple of goes, but it is
reasonably effective and a good compromise between speed and completeness.
- thm
Uh?..Ive never seen Defraggler after right-clicking on a drive...Am i missing something here?
thm
Jan 25 2008, 08:36 AM
QUOTE (Robin Hood @ Jan 25 2008, 04:58 AM)

Uh?..Ive never seen Defraggler after right-clicking on a drive...Am i missing something here?
...Ah...perhaps I wasn't very clear: you need to right-click on the drive's
name
in the Defraggler window to get to this context menu.
The attached screenshot should make this unambiguous...

-thm
WindHydra
Feb 10 2008, 10:17 PM
QUOTE (CTskifreak @ Jan 24 2008, 02:09 PM)

It still doesn't make sense to me....the drive head is moving ridiculously fast anyway, isn't it? Wouldn't it be only, at worst, tenths of a second difference?
LOL...screw normal harddrives - Solid State Drives ftw!
AJ
The speed is probably noticeable if you are reading/writing large, continuous file. Since the disk is spinning at a constant speed, one revolution covers several times more distance at the edge of the disk than at the center, so the read/write speed is a lot higher at the edge.
malikor
Feb 10 2008, 11:45 PM
Auto-Update Feature: Just like CCleaner has, that way it is easier to keep up-to-date. Also, make options in a feature to let you know if the update is Beta or a Major Release.
Portable Version: Just like CCleaner has so that when the program is installed, there is nothing left on the host computer, including an association that lists the program in the Add/Remove Programs list.
Registry Defrag: Add an item in the list that shows the drives to defrag that lets you also defrag the registry upon reboot. Also add an option to automatically defrag the registry and auto-reboot after defragmentation of the selected drive is complete.
Perhaps add options to do one of the following once defrag of the current drive is complete:
- Close Program
- Log Off User
- Shut Down
- Restart
And make it possible to queue other drives for defrag. For example, I could set it to defrag my internal hard drive first. Once complete, begin defrag of my external hard drive, then defrag my USB drive.
Add a feature to run a scheduled defrag every day, week or month. I know this is possible thru a feature already included in Windows but integration of the scheduling feature would be nice.
dusty2008
Feb 18 2008, 06:19 PM
Since this is a BETA software program and touching the REGISTY is almost blasphemy, LOL, is it really wise for us to be using a BETA program on our delicate and sancorsant registries?
I just wonder about the logic and wisdom of such an act. No offense or disrespect intended as I love PIRIFORM immensely, truly.
dusty2008
Feb 18 2008, 06:19 PM
Since this is a BETA software program and touching the REGISTY is almost blasphemy, LOL, is it really wise for us to be using a BETA program on our delicate and sancorsant registries?
I just wonder about the logic and wisdom of such an act. No offense or disrespect intended as I love PIRIFORM immensely, truly.
malikor
Feb 18 2008, 07:08 PM
How about addin the option to just defragment the free space, instead of waiting fo it to defragment files first. This can be useful if you are defragmenting a portable USB Thumb Drive.
Guest_Jim_*
Feb 18 2008, 11:02 PM
QUOTE (malikor @ Feb 18 2008, 02:08 PM)

How about addin the option to just defragment the free space, instead of waiting fo it to defragment files first. This can be useful if you are defragmenting a portable USB Thumb Drive.
Do you really notice a difference if a flash drive is fragmented? I never have, but I don't think mine are very fragmented either.
JDPower
Feb 19 2008, 03:08 AM
QUOTE (dusty2008 @ Feb 18 2008, 06:19 PM)

Since this is a BETA software program and touching the REGISTY is almost blasphemy, LOL, is it really wise for us to be using a BETA program on our delicate and sancorsant registries?
That is for you to decide and is the decision you take when using/testing any beta software.
malikor
Feb 22 2008, 05:58 PM
The Regsitry Defrag can be put in a Stable Version. A Beta version with that feature can be released to testers with a warning that it is Beta and the feature may or may not work properly. TuneUp Utilities has a RegDefrag Option but I would rather have that option in a portable, lightweight version that a large suite of apps that TuneUp has.
Timster
Feb 22 2008, 09:05 PM
Great product so far!
I know that this is nitpicky, but can you update the status bar when doing a defrag (most useful when doing a drive or multi-file defrag) to show which file is currently being defragged?
When I run a full defrag, it sometimes takes a long time for an individual file to defrag, so it would be nice to have a realtime status of what file is taking so long to defrag.
igorce
Mar 2 2008, 03:20 PM
SET IT AND FORGET IT (SCHEDULE) and CHECK FOR UPDATES options will b nice to c speed 4/10
It would be nice if the drive map legend could be shown all the time, maybe a show/noshow option. I agree that showing the file-in-process name would be nice.
sammeke288
Mar 9 2008, 04:10 PM
Maybe a ETA?
CactuS
Mar 9 2008, 11:57 PM
Hey there, first, sorry for my english.
I wonder if it will be possible to choose where to move defragmented files. I do prefer having "much accessed" files at the begining of my hard drive and "less accessed" files at he end of it.
For example, i'm a gamer and i expect having much performance as possible for a particular program.
I hope i made myself clear. Keep on the good work Piriform team.
My best regards
hairbautt
Mar 10 2008, 12:02 AM
QUOTE (CactuS @ Mar 9 2008, 06:57 PM)

I wonder if it will be possible to choose where to move defragmented files. I do prefer having "much accessed" files at the begining of my hard drive and "less accessed" files at he end of it.
For example, i'm a gamer and i expect having much performance as possible for a particular program. I hope i made myself clear.

I know exactly what you're talking about. See my post here (Post #7) Glad you agree.
Adicted
Mar 18 2008, 01:55 PM
Fist, sorry for my english, well, i was thinking in some ideas for defraggler:
- Maybe an ETA for the defrags
- After the alalysis ends, the program says if a defrag is recomended or not...
- A option to defrag more than 1 disk at the time
- Maybe an option to turn off the pc when the defrag ends
c400
Mar 23 2008, 05:27 PM
it would be great to add 2 things
- Make available to replace default windows (win xp for example) defraggler on these one
- Add a schedule support
asian_100
Mar 25 2008, 03:26 PM
You have got to add key for the coloured blocks to know which blocks (files) are fragmented etc. That could go underneath the stop button.
colorplane
Mar 30 2008, 03:51 PM
For a very quick gui improvement, I would prefer when I resize the window to see the disk visualization expand automatically instead of the file list. Currently, the file list expands to fill up the space, but if I maximize the window and then use the split bar to expand the size of the disk visualization (I like watching the colors while defragmenting

), the size of the visualization remains fixed when I restore the window to its original size. That hides the file list and main buttons and chops off the bottom of the visualization whereas resizing the visualization (or at least setting a minimum height threshold to the file list to ensure that the buttons are visible) would be more desirable.
This is only a minor issue and should be a minor change to the code. I like the product, found out about it after clicking the flashy new Piriform pear icon in CCleaner
Tottel
Apr 3 2008, 12:12 PM
One thing I don't get.. where can you defrag the registry? can't find such a button..
It's probably posted in the wrong sub-section, but I saw someone mentioning it here, that's why..
Tottel
Apr 3 2008, 12:28 PM
About the GUI..
How about putting the Drive Map Legend horizontally just beneath the analyzed blocks?
Another thing.. I know that when he is defragging it's.. well.. quite busy.., but it would be nice if you could
adjust the width of the collumns with the file info while defragging.. it's sometimes good to know what files are
fragmented, and it's not very handy stopping the defrag, adjust the width, and then restart..
damiankrol
Apr 5 2008, 01:42 PM
QUOTE (igorce @ Mar 2 2008, 04:20 PM)

SET IT AND FORGET IT (SCHEDULE) and CHECK FOR UPDATES options will b nice to c
These two would be very useful.
Seeking for 'Defrag All' + 'Defrag Selected' (multichoice, using CTRL button).
Also - 'Analyze&Defrag' (one button for two operations) - it's quite strange now when you just press 'Defrag' and it doesn't show you what's on your HDD.
anonymous_user
Apr 5 2008, 06:07 PM
QUOTE (Tottel @ Apr 3 2008, 04:12 AM)

One thing I don't get.. where can you defrag the registry? can't find such a button..
It's probably posted in the wrong sub-section, but I saw someone mentioning it here, that's why..
The reason you cant find the button is because there is none. Defraggler doesnt defrag the registry.
damiankrol
Apr 5 2008, 06:11 PM
QUOTE (anonymous_user @ Apr 5 2008, 07:07 PM)

The reason you cant find the button is because there is none. Defraggler doesnt defrag the registry.
...although it should do this ;)
deodorantROFL
Apr 5 2008, 07:55 PM
My only suggestion is to add an option to defrag all drives with the click of a button... Like do C:\, when that's done, move to D:\, etc. That way I was start it and walk away
canorro
Apr 7 2008, 02:21 AM
suggestion can it be possible defrag system files on reboot?
like raxco Perfect Disk or like avast antivirus that do scan on next reboot.
And they also arrange files in some kind of order i think they put boot files first, then system files then other file by the most use to the less use.
Also other OS support would be Great
Mohammed Abu-Ghazaleh
Apr 7 2008, 02:13 PM
Defraggler Seems to be taking quite along time as of late. 10 hours to get to 94%. I still love how defraggler can defrag pretty much anything. Speed would be a big one here thou.
khokkanen
Apr 11 2008, 01:54 PM
I'd love to see the ability to utilize multiple partitions/disks when defragging. My largest partitions are nearly always nearly full (under 5% free), but the smaller ones are about half full only (~50% free). The free space on the bigger ones is hardly sufficient for effective defrag, but by utilizing the free space on the smaller ones it could be done -- and faster too.
Thus far I've never come across this kind of feature, but it would certainly seem logical.
galileo
Apr 14 2008, 06:15 PM
Just a few "simple"

suggestions:
1. Defrag all folders and move to the front of the drive.
2. Respect "layout.ini" during consolidation phase.
3. Option to relocate installer, setup, and archive (zip, rar, etc..) to near the end of the drive.
We all have many more items on our "wish" lists but, those items become increasingly difficult from a programming standpoint. Hopefully, these few are reasonable from an implementation perspective....
And...THANKS FOR ALL THE EFFORT !!!!
nazgand
Apr 17 2008, 11:41 PM
I have an idea that would near completely abolish fragmentation.
The free-space defragmenting process should move all of the old unmodified files that are likely to not be deleted or modified to the front of the drive, and the newer files to the end. My purpose is this: when a file is deleted it leaves a whole; when a file is modified, it either leaves a whole, or fragments the modified file. but if you put all of the unchanging files in the front, and all of the changing/new files at the end, there will be a gap between where all* fragmentation happens. this can be cleared up much more quickly, because you simply defragment it to the end of the drive, and move the unchanging files in the "new" section the the beginning of the drive.
For this to work, there must be absolutely no gaps in the "old" section.
*some of these fragments may be a newly modified piece of the files in the "new" section.
Spectro
Apr 26 2008, 05:40 AM
I would like a simple "minimize to system tray" feature.
m@tt
Apr 26 2008, 11:06 AM
Atm, all I want is 3 things:
Free-space defrag (having to use Windows Defragger for this)
Pagefile defrag (currently 2GB across 13 fragments)
The ability to move around whole files and freespace so large files (I have 5 1GB files that can't be defragged further than 2/3 parts despite having 7GB free space) can be defragged easier.
Keep up the good work.
some guy
Apr 26 2008, 01:26 PM
QUOTE (Spectro @ Apr 26 2008, 05:40 AM)

I would like a simple "minimize to system tray" feature.
It's in all the other products, my guess would be it will be put in for the release.
anonymous_user
Apr 27 2008, 12:41 AM
QUOTE (m@tt @ Apr 26 2008, 03:06 AM)

Free-space defrag (having to use Windows Defragger for this)
Defraggler can already do that. When you defrag a drive, Defraggler will first defrag files/folders and then it will defrag free space.
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