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[moonsam]

I use CCleaner and Recuva.  Both programs do a great job. By using these I have found that there is a lot of trash loaded to your computer that does not get deleted unless you use these two programs.

Since the primary reason for using these programs, is to clean up all the "crap" that get loaded onto your drive over time, why not add a "preventive" feature to CCleaner or a new program to guarantee privacy while browsing.  Swiss bit had a browsing program that loaded and nothing would stay on your drive when you exited the internet.

Suggestion:
I would love to have a way to go online and have my software create a small virtual or other drive that would be totally deleted when I excited.
Also, it would not allow the websites to keep track of who you are.  (deleting cookies appears not to be enough anymore, as I believe some sites are keeping track of you IP addresses and using those to track usage.
It would also be nice to have a way to mask your IP addresses.

I know there are programs out there that do some of this.  My problem is that I don't know of any programs I would trust to do this for me, both for trusting "they" won't load any other software to track or abuse my trust, and trust that they know what they are doing to shield me and protect my privacy.

I believe I should be able to browse the internet totally anonimously and not be forced to run another program to clean up what should have not been loaded to my drive without my permission in the first place.

Summay:  Would be nice to have some type of browsing interphase that would "prevent" the loading, or that would restrict the loading to one place on my drive that would be easy to monitor and delete after an internet session.

Thanks

[hazelnut]

Use Sandboxie.


http://www.sandboxie.com/

[login123]

DuckDuckGo and Startpage are two privacy oriented search engines.  They're pretty good.

[TheWebAtom]

There is a typo in the third paragraph that made me fall off my chair laughing. Immaturity. I have it.

[Winapp2.ini]

TheWebAtom, on 09 September 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

There is a typo in the third paragraph that made me fall of my chair laughing. Immaturity. I have it.

I didn't notice it till you pointed it out.

[TheWebAtom]

But seriously; all modern browsers have this built in. Just use Private Browsing/Incognito mode and disable plugins unless you need them.

[login123]

TheWebAtom, on 09 September 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

There is a typo in the third paragraph that made me fall off my chair laughing. Immaturity. I have it.

. . .Immaturity.  I cultivate it.    

@ moonsam:
There is a lot of information already on here about virtualization software and private browsing options.
If you haven't already seen it, a place to start is here:  http://forum.pirifor...03
What you use depends a lot on what kind of system you are running ... Operating system, browser, etc.
More about browsers here:  http://forum.pirifor...opic=36177&st=0

Edit:  If you do go exploring for virtualizers, keep in mind there are two apps called TimeFreeze.
One is by Wondershare:  http://www.wondersha...ime-freeze.html
One is by Toolwiz:  http://www.toolwiz.c...iz-time-freeze/

[DarkSam]

Dear Class,

I have a cautionary tale for many of you.

Recently in New York a mother shared her dilema with a forum regarding what happened in her house.

"People came into my house and said they had a warrant to take my husband and our 3 computers and any other items relating to the warrant.  They took cds, notes, flash drives etc.  (fast forward 24 hours) - My husband had been charged with possession of child pornography!   In the next days, owr lawyer  and my husband made it clear that my husband had never visited a porn site for child pornography and much less, downloaded any porn.   He did say that he had done the ocasional drive by on porn sites that had come into his email. But, never downloaded anything.

Spoiler

The prosecutor stated that images found on all the computers, (we have 2 teenagers, boys too.) showed images of young women that according to the expert witness for the prosecution, and based on the Tanner Scale of development (take note and look it up), he was being charged with possession or child pornography.   The lawyer retorted with, - if there were any images on his computers, they were downloaded without his knowledge, or consent.  The prosecutor added, - can you prove where those images were downloaded from so we may verify the age with their records?   (of course he can't!  He didn't know they were on there, and if he did, the prosecutor would not allow any of our representatives to take the computers to research with.  All the girls they showed us on the sample, looked old enough to be 18, but the Tanner Scale said otherwise."

Basically, you have a situation in which a zealous protector of the community rights has used a scale, the Tanner Scale, to controversially determine the "exact" age of a young woman on a citizen's computer.  The scale basically states that it is not an exact tool.  Some humans, male or female, may be 18 years of age and still not have reached the full development stated on the tanner scale.   This means, some of the porn sites will undoubtedly have pictures on their sites that will surreptitiously download onto your computer without a trace of origin.  Therefore, even though you may have inocently visited a site, never purposely downloaded a picture that could be "tagged" as "child porn" based on the Tanner scale, you may be open to prosecution for possession of child pornography, unless it can otherwise be proven in writing with the appropriate documents, by you or the site of origin, that the person was at least 18 at the time the picture or video was taken.  

Do you know if you have any pictures on your computer.  Remeber the pictures don't have to be of naked young women or men.  All it takes is someone not on your legal side to say they are under-age, and "under-age" they will be, unless you can prove otherwise.

Have you checked your computer lately?

Another quick tale. A father having heard of this situation, decided to do a simple check on his and his son's laptop at home.  He used CCleaner to delete all those files that Ccleaner says it deletes.  He had Ccleaner set to normal delete (basically deleting the first character of the file name, leaving the rest intact.   He also had heard that Internet explorer "in private" deleted all those pesky files left from your browsing sessions.  The Dad was feeling pretty good.  Then, the son said "I heard of a cool program called Recuva".  So the Dad said, "what the heck lets try it.  It shouldn't find anything on any of our laptops!"

Well, the Dad set up Recuva to seach "other" files, (not just video and pics), and he set it up to delete with the DOD overwrite the file 3 times.  He ran Recuva and to their suprise, almost 4000 files showd up when he chose the "thumb" option in the view screen.  (screen where you decide to recover or delete.)

There were all kinds of pictures no one had seen before, Their jaws dropped to the ground!!!

The deleted all the files multiple times, each time DOD 3x.  Then he ran it again to see if there was anything left.  Nothing.  Then he went into Internet Explorer and browsed a bit, and then ran Recuva again.  This time hundreds of pictures he had not seen during his browsing were present on his drive.  He deleted all and made sure.   Then, he browsed again using "in Private Browsing",  and ran Revuca again.  Hundreds of pictures had been downloaded.  Then he tried DuckDuckGo.com same test.   Recuva did not see any pics or videos on the computer.

Aparently Ccleaner alone will not do it. (you do have to set it to DOD 3x, to make sure that what it does delete, it deletes well so not even Recuva can recover it.)  RECUVA is the star here!!   Run it right after you run Ccleaner.   And if you know you are going into hostile territory, it doesn't hurt to wear protection (DuckDuckGo).

I don't know if this is enough to protect the normal household from "legal" innocent danger, but it sounds like a small price to pay (Ccleaner and Recuva and DuckDuckGo price, donation, whatever you want to call it.) to make sure your computer is "really" clean.

Enjoy your surfing.

Edited by Nergal, 15 September 2012 - 06:29 PM.
Really really really long so I added spoiler tags, read it if you want

[Alan_B]

TheWebAtom, on 09 September 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

But seriously; all modern browsers have this built in. Just use Private Browsing/Incognito mode and disable plugins unless you need them.

It might be built in, but it could be broken - like Firefox 15.
I came across this today
http://www.ghacks.ne...ng-mode-broken/

[nodles]

nodles, on 07 September 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

Firefox v15.0.1

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Fixed: Sites visited while in Private Browsing mode could be found through manual browser cache inspection (787743)

Should be fixed in Firefox v15.0.1.

[Nergal]

DarkSam, on 15 September 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

Dear Class,

I have a cautionary tale for many of you.

Recently in New York a mother shared her dilema with a forum regarding what happened in her house.

"People came into my house and said they had a warrant to take my husband and our 3 computers and any other items relating to the warrant.  They took cds, notes, flash drives etc.  (fast forward 24 hours) - My husband had been charged with possession of child pornography!   In the next days, owr lawyer  and my husband made it clear that my husband had never visited a porn site for child pornography and much less, downloaded any porn.   He did say that he had done the ocasional drive by on porn sites that had come into his email. But, never downloaded anything.

Spoiler

The prosecutor stated that images found on all the computers, (we have 2 teenagers, boys too.) showed images of young women that according to the expert witness for the prosecution, and based on the Tanner Scale of development (take note and look it up), he was being charged with possession or child pornography.   The lawyer retorted with, - if there were any images on his computers, they were downloaded without his knowledge, or consent.  The prosecutor added, - can you prove where those images were downloaded from so we may verify the age with their records?   (of course he can't!  He didn't know they were on there, and if he did, the prosecutor would not allow any of our representatives to take the computers to research with.  All the girls they showed us on the sample, looked old enough to be 18, but the Tanner Scale said otherwise."

Basically, you have a situation in which a zealous protector of the community rights has used a scale, the Tanner Scale, to controversially determine the "exact" age of a young woman on a citizen's computer.  The scale basically states that it is not an exact tool.  Some humans, male or female, may be 18 years of age and still not have reached the full development stated on the tanner scale.   This means, some of the porn sites will undoubtedly have pictures on their sites that will surreptitiously download onto your computer without a trace of origin.  Therefore, even though you may have inocently visited a site, never purposely downloaded a picture that could be "tagged" as "child porn" based on the Tanner scale, you may be open to prosecution for possession of child pornography, unless it can otherwise be proven in writing with the appropriate documents, by you or the site of origin, that the person was at least 18 at the time the picture or video was taken.  

Do you know if you have any pictures on your computer.  Remeber the pictures don't have to be of naked young women or men.  All it takes is someone not on your legal side to say they are under-age, and "under-age" they will be, unless you can prove otherwise.

Have you checked your computer lately?

Another quick tale. A father having heard of this situation, decided to do a simple check on his and his son's laptop at home.  He used CCleaner to delete all those files that Ccleaner says it deletes.  He had Ccleaner set to normal delete (basically deleting the first character of the file name, leaving the rest intact.   He also had heard that Internet explorer "in private" deleted all those pesky files left from your browsing sessions.  The Dad was feeling pretty good.  Then, the son said "I heard of a cool program called Recuva".  So the Dad said, "what the heck lets try it.  It shouldn't find anything on any of our laptops!"

Well, the Dad set up Recuva to seach "other" files, (not just video and pics), and he set it up to delete with the DOD overwrite the file 3 times.  He ran Recuva and to their suprise, almost 4000 files showd up when he chose the "thumb" option in the view screen.  (screen where you decide to recover or delete.)

There were all kinds of pictures no one had seen before, Their jaws dropped to the ground!!!

The deleted all the files multiple times, each time DOD 3x.  Then he ran it again to see if there was anything left.  Nothing.  Then he went into Internet Explorer and browsed a bit, and then ran Recuva again.  This time hundreds of pictures he had not seen during his browsing were present on his drive.  He deleted all and made sure.   Then, he browsed again using "in Private Browsing",  and ran Revuca again.  Hundreds of pictures had been downloaded.  Then he tried DuckDuckGo.com same test.   Recuva did not see any pics or videos on the computer.

Aparently Ccleaner alone will not do it. (you do have to set it to DOD 3x, to make sure that what it does delete, it deletes well so not even Recuva can recover it.)  RECUVA is the star here!!   Run it right after you run Ccleaner.   And if you know you are going into hostile territory, it doesn't hurt to wear protection (DuckDuckGo).

I don't know if this is enough to protect the normal household from "legal" innocent danger, but it sounds like a small price to pay (Ccleaner and Recuva and DuckDuckGo price, donation, whatever you want to call it.) to make sure your computer is "really" clean.

Enjoy your surfing.

Dear sir/madam/thing,
I don't know who you are, and I kinda suspect you may be a spammer; even if you aren't, your post was way tl:dr.  Please if you want to contribute water it down some. Your story seems a bit snopes-y and urban legend-y.  As well, neither ccleaner nor recuva are security softwares nor privacy ones.  One is a junk remover space regainer; the other is a deleted file retriever, the opposite of privacy.
Honestly a responsible adult knows the sites they go to so when queried by law enforcement ought to be able to answer.
Next, since I've ascertained that you and the original poster are the same person I'd like to remind you that multiple profiles are not allowed on this site.
finally I'd prefer you not to act superior, with you "dear class" lines, just say your piece and be part of the community.

[Alan_B]

This sounds like total fiction :-

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A father having heard of this situation, decided to do a simple check on his and his son's laptop at home. He used CCleaner to delete all those files that Ccleaner says it deletes. He had Ccleaner set to normal delete (basically deleting the first character of the file name, leaving the rest intact. He also had heard that Internet explorer "in private" deleted all those pesky files left from your browsing sessions. The Dad was feeling pretty good. Then, the son said "I heard of a cool program called Recuva". So the Dad said, "what the heck lets try it. It shouldn't find anything on any of our laptops!"

Removing the first character of a file name was the technique under original DOS driven by Command.com on a FAT file system
I think this probably continued when Command.com was the driving force behind Windows 3.* through to Windows 98.

So far as I am aware Recuva does not run under Windows 98 or earlier.
By default Windows XP onwards use NTFS file systems and I believe deleting a file no longer depends upon deleting the first character of the name.

[Augeas]

Moon/Darksam, two userids are not permitted, so they have been restricted. This thread just looks too much like trolling, so I'm going to close it.