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#1 OFFLINE SouthendSupporter

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 03:47 PM

Hi,
I am a long time user and firm believer in both Defrag and CCCleaner.

BUT..
I am trying to defrag the system disk (C:) on a PC running Windows Vista Business SP1, AV is Haspersky Internet Security 2012. I don't normally disable AV when I defrag but I have tried that on this system with no positive affect.

It was something arounf 46% fragmented but after the following actions:

Ran CCleaner to clean up Temp files and Registry
10 'normal defrags'
a boot time defrag (which actually resulted in Defraggler reporting a higher fragmentation level than before the boot time degraf)
a further 10 defrags
defrag the files list
Another Defrag

During the last defrag, the number of fragmented files fell from 149 to 76, No. of total fragments from 738 to 308 but the framentation only fell to 29% :(

Never had this issue before with defraggler which normally finishes with a very low % after a few defrags.

Any ideas anyone?

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 04:14 PM

Did you try this?

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 05:43 PM

H'mmmm, thanks for the suggestion.
Well I did that and it is now REPORTING 2% fragmentation.

But all the files that have large numbers of fragmens (mostly Kaspersky files and Kaspersky temporary files) are still there and fragmented -- just niot being reported.

So it seems to me this just hides the level of fragmentation -- it doesn't actually get the disk any less fragmnented ??
And I've never used these settings previously.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 06:01 PM

Restore points and hibernation files are not defragged by Defraggler, Windows Defragger, or other defraggers cos they are protected -- too important to mess with. If the Kaspersky files are still fragmented maybe it's cos Kaspersky locked them. I doubt you'll notice any performance issues with 2% frag. Even if you could attain a true 0% frag the count would begin to climb as soon as you used the computer. Nothing gained.

I use only the file defrag and get a zero frag count with an empty list every time, and within an hour I have 1% fragmentation. :D

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 01:39 AM

Thanks for the info Kroozer.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 02:56 AM

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All mine are Kaspersky files and Kaspersky temporary files

I can get to 0% in 3-4 runs no problems at all.

I turn the defrag off (Only) then rerun it again.

Before that I was having a lot of problems and after trying this and that and getting completely confused I "Removed" Defrag and Reinstalled it with Kaspersky in "Pause"

Working faster and a lot better now.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 10:29 PM

My problem is similar in that after any program upgrades, my drive won't defrag 100%. Up until the last 2 days, I would uninstall the program, reinstall and then I would get 100% defrag. Not this time though. So I tried the defrag at boot time instructions and while it said 0% when done I could still see the red clusters. I then went back to the normal settings and I have 17% that isn't defragged and the file is 7.3 GB.

What now?

Thanks for your help.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 11:45 AM

I have 17% that isn't defragged and the file is 7.3 GB.


What isn't being defragged?

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 08:44 PM

I'm not exactly sure, but when I look at the files, I find "system volume information", then a very long number, followed by every program that I have accessed.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:02 AM

System Volume Information = Restore Points -- cannot defrag as explained above in post #4.
So do this which will drop your frag count to or near zero.
Then follow with a Boot Time Defrag, which defrags the paging file, etc. Posted Image
You will still see red blocks cos some stuff is not defragged as explained above in post #4.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:20 PM

Thanks very much ~ I will do this. Curious though why I was always able to get it to zero before when I had this problem.
I didn't try to uninstall and reinstall the upgraded programs, as I've done in the past, as too many programs updated and I was just overwhelmed.

Appreciate you very much!