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[pwillener]

This is the first time to use Defraggler - I usually use Diskeeper on a daily basis.

I tried Defraggler because I want to use it to move some files (pagefile.sys) to the end of the C: partition. However, it takes extremely long! The C: drive is 1% fragmented, but after 4 hours the defrag process is only 4% - see attached image.
[indent]  defragg.gif   68.81K   47 downloads[/indent]
Is it normal that Defraggler is that slow?

[Defraggler 1.10.143 on Windows XP-SP3]


P.S. just checked Task Manager; so far it has done 375,000,000 I/O, running at near 100% CPU usage.

[pwillener]

Now, 20 hours later, 13% is defragged.
[indent]  defragg20.gif   68.77K   16 downloads[/indent]
2,600,000,000 I/O have been performed, and the thing still runs using near 100% CPU.

If it continues on this rate, it will take 11 days to complete...

[pwillener]

48 hours after it started...
[indent]  defragg48.gif   60.84K   14 downloads[/indent]
71% complete, 6 fragmented files, 33 fragments, 6,140,000,000 I/O.

What is it doing...?

[pwillener]

And after 50 hours - defrag complete.
[indent]  defragg50.gif   58.27K   19 downloads[/indent]
Still 5 fragmented files, 30 fragments, and a total of 6.4 billion I/O.

And... the pagefile has not been moved! Here my options
[indent]  defragg_opt.gif   20.72K   23 downloads[/indent]
How do I actually get certain files moved to the end of the partition? (Tried to look up help & docs at http://docs.piriform.com/defraggler, but all I get is "Could not contact back-end site".)

[pwillener]

Thank you, 'romanoff', for your PM. I will run Defraggler in debug mode next time, and send you the logs.

(Just to show other forum members that Piriform has contacted me about my observations.)

[johnny_canuck]

pwillener, on May 15 2009, 04:27 AM, said:

Thank you, 'romanoff', for your PM. I will run Defraggler in debug mode next time, and send you the logs.

(Just to show other forum members that Piriform has contacted me about my observations.)

I have had the exact same problem. 250 Gb SATA drive, XP SP3, Defraggler 1.10.143. After >20 hours, only defragged 15% of the drive! Previously (say, last week), it worked perfectly. Not sure what has changed.

I'd be happy to follow the previous post and run in debug mode, but isn't the debug log generated only if Defraggler finishes? If so, then not likely, since I'm not going to wait the days and days it might take to finish.

[romanoff]

We are looking into this

Best regards
romanoff

[Kas]

pwillener, on May 15 2009, 07:08 AM, said:

And after 50 hours - defrag complete.
[indent] defragg50.gif[/indent]
Still 5 fragmented files, 30 fragments, and a total of 6.4 billion I/O.

And... the pagefile has not been moved! Here my options
[indent] defragg_opt.gif[/indent]
How do I actually get certain files moved to the end of the partition? (Tried to look up help & docs at http://docs.piriform.com/defraggler, but all I get is "Could not contact back-end site".)

Well Pwillener, I suggest you dump your entire computer and buy another one. Not "made in Russia" is it ? Perhaps a valve set ?

Defraggler is the most invaluable program I have ever found on the net. It is super efficient, lightening fast in completing a defrag and absolutely trouble free. I simply cannot imagine how a company like Piriform can offer such a miraculous program as a freebie.

It is so versatile in defragging selected files or free space or the entire computer.
One guy on a Computer Forum said in answer to my Defraggler tributes - "I see no point in messing about with these kind of programs when Windows Defrag works just as well or even better".

This is the most crap statement I have ever seen. WINDOWS DEFRAGGER !!! This Sloth-like system takes 5 hours or more to complete. If you are over 30 years old, then forget Wndows Defragging - you just ain`t got enough life left.

My verdict is, if you are getting older waiting for Defraggler to finish, then the fault is at your end NOT Piriform`s.
Buy another set, life just may be easier for you, but don`t blame Defraggler for being slow.
Gosh man, the defrag is over in SECONDS !

Of course the members of this Forum may tell you where you are going wrong - that is what Forums are for - but going wrong you are. I have had superb response and service from Defraggler for years with NO trouble.
Seconds to defrag every time, whenever you wish to do it..

KAS

[CTskifreak]

Terence ONeill, on May 19 2009, 08:51 AM, said:

Well Pwillener, I suggest you dump your entire computer and buy another one. Not "made in Russia" is it ? Perhaps a valve set ?

Defraggler is the most invaluable program I have ever found on the net. It is super efficient, lightening fast in completing a defrag and absolutely trouble free. I simply cannot imagine how a company like Piriform can offer such a miraculous program as a freebie.

It is so versatile in defragging selected files or free space or the entire computer.
One guy on a Computer Forum said in answer to my Defraggler tributes - "I see no point in messing about with these kind of programs when Windows Defrag works just as well or even better".

This is the most crap statement I have ever seen. WINDOWS DEFRAGGER !!! This Sloth-like system takes 5 hours or more to complete. If you are over 30 years old, then forget Wndows Defragging - you just ain't got enough life left.

My verdict is, if you are getting older waiting for Defraggler to finish, then the fault is at your end NOT Piriform`s.
Buy another set, life just may be easier for you, but don`t blame Defraggler for being slow.
Gosh man, the defrag is over in SECONDS !

Of course the members of this Forum may tell you where you are going wrong - that is what Forums are for - but going wrong you are. I have had superb response and service from Defraggler for years with NO trouble.
Seconds to defrag every time, whenever you wish to do it..

KAS

Dude, chill out. It's been noted that not every configuration works perfectly. I do wonder what pwillener's hardware specs are, but there is no need to go off on him. He came here asking for help, and in no way was he bashing Piriform. He was merely asking for assistance. However, the last time Windows built in defrag program took that long was on my parents Pentium Pro Gateway 2000 based system. I'm not promoting it, and I love Defraggler, but I've never had that much of a problem with Windows' built in implementation. I too have never had trouble with it, but you don't have to go off on him. If he didn't want help, he wouldn't have come looking for it. It seems that he wants to use the program, so your comments were totally uncalled for.

pwillener, I am curious to see what your hardware specs are. I wonder if it has something to do with your crazy amount of partitions.

AJ

[pwillener]

Yes, it is an older computer, which serves me well in most respects. Specs:

Operating System
[indent]Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3[/indent]
System Model
[indent]Dell Computer Corporation OptiPlex GX260[/indent]
Processor
[indent]2.25 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
8 kilobyte primary memory cache
512 kilobyte secondary memory cache[/indent]
Memory
[indent]1022 Megabytes Installed Memory[/indent]
The HD on which the C: drive resides is an IDE\ST3200822A (200GB).

The "crazy" partitioning layout resides on 3 HD drives, and is due to historical/legacy reasons, as well as current needs. I cannot imagine that having a few more partitions than normal would influence program behavior.

But I will start a debug defrag this evening, so hopefully Piriform will find out what's taking so long...

[pwillener]

I ran Defraggler (in debug4 mode) today, starting with 2% fragmentation. It finished within 3 hours.
[indent]  defragg3.png   5.73K   17 downloads[/indent]
3 hours still seems long to me, but it is not the original problem (50 hours).

I wonder if it is something to do with running Defraggler for the first time? Since the Diskeeper and Defraggler methods are so very different, maybe - even though it is showing only 1% fragmentation, it has a lot to do for the initial defragmentation?

I may also need to mention that I use the "Quick Defragmentation" method wit Diskeeper - which does not defragment free space.

[mghughes]

I've just starting using defraggler, and I'm having similar issues, my machine has been left on for days, without the defrag completing. I'm running WIndows Vista.
What I am seeing is more and more fragmented blocks appearing. It turns out these blocks refer to files within "C:\System Volume Information", which are used for system restore points. I've now disabled system restores, and my fragmented files have gone, and it seems to be defragging my drive without any problems now. It still has to complete (only been running 30 mins so far), but I'll report back when (or if) it finishes.

My guess is that Windows system restore doesn't play well with the file re-organising that defraggler does.

Mark

[Gamma]

mghughes, on May 20 2009, 06:13 AM, said:

I've just starting using defraggler, and I'm having similar issues, my machine has been left on for days, without the defrag completing. I'm running WIndows Vista.
What I am seeing is more and more fragmented blocks appearing. It turns out these blocks refer to files within "C:\System Volume Information", which are used for system restore points. I've now disabled system restores, and my fragmented files have gone, and it seems to be defragging my drive without any problems now. It still has to complete (only been running 30 mins so far), but I'll report back when (or if) it finishes.

My guess is that Windows system restore doesn't play well with the file re-organising that defraggler does.

Mark

I agree, Mark. I deleted all my restore points and reran defraggler. It now seems to be moving along at a steady rate.

[jjvista32]

pwillener, on May 13 2009, 09:34 AM, said:

This is the first time to use Defraggler - I usually use Diskeeper on a daily basis.

I tried Defraggler because I want to use it to move some files (pagefile.sys) to the end of the C: partition. However, it takes extremely long! The C: drive is 1% fragmented, but after 4 hours the defrag process is only 4% - see attached image.
[indent] defragg.gif[/indent]
Is it normal that Defraggler is that slow?

[Defraggler 1.10.143 on Windows XP-SP3]


P.S. just checked Task Manager; so far it has done 375,000,000 I/O, running at near 100% CPU usage.

Hi
I ran Defraggle and left it running all day (9am-9pm) I stopped it as it was not half way through!
Looking here it seems know one has come up with a solution, this is very disapointing! Is my only choice to delete it?

[aqua]

i have also a similar system and defraggler runs pretty good..
you even have more memory ram,since like 3 months i took advices about pc performance from black viper site.
they recommend to disable system restore..i guess you may have viruses or spyware,you may need to run also
ccleaner or regcure,,and then a program like privacy eraser pro,to clean all junk from pc.
then reinstall defraggler...it works very well.

[theeviltwin69]

WoW KAS you are off the hook! I almost hope you have to come back here for help or some where else and get a response like what you posted here!! YOU DON'T WANT TO POST A HELPFULL REPLY too someones elses THREAD,on a HELP FORUM DO NOT POST!!!! GTFO.

Any way it seems like people are not deleting the OLDER SYSTEM RESTORE points before running defragler. You should also be cleaning your system w/CCleaner to dump all that crap first! I make sure my system is clean,before running either WIN defrag/or soon DEFRAGLER. Dump all your temporary Internet files/cookies, run disk clean up,etc,etc.Or just get CCleaner and use it FIRST and after system is as clean then defrag it! It makes no sense to defrag a system with all the stuff you don't need or want still in it.

[papajack]

Terence ONeill, on May 19 2009, 06:51 AM, said:

Well Pwillener, I suggest you dump your entire computer and buy another one. Not "made in Russia" is it ? Perhaps a valve set ?

Defraggler is the most invaluable program I have ever found on the net. It is super efficient, lightening fast in completing a defrag and absolutely trouble free. I simply cannot imagine how a company like Piriform can offer such a miraculous program as a freebie.

It is so versatile in defragging selected files or free space or the entire computer.
One guy on a Computer Forum said in answer to my Defraggler tributes - "I see no point in messing about with these kind of programs when Windows Defrag works just as well or even better".

This is the most crap statement I have ever seen. WINDOWS DEFRAGGER !!! This Sloth-like system takes 5 hours or more to complete. If you are over 30 years old, then forget Wndows Defragging - you just ain`t got enough life left.

My verdict is, if you are getting older waiting for Defraggler to finish, then the fault is at your end NOT Piriform`s.
Buy another set, life just may be easier for you, but don`t blame Defraggler for being slow.
Gosh man, the defrag is over in SECONDS !

Of course the members of this Forum may tell you where you are going wrong - that is what Forums are for - but going wrong you are. I have had superb response and service from Defraggler for years with NO trouble.
Seconds to defrag every time, whenever you wish to do it..

KAS

Well, you are so blessed to be so smart and have such an efficient setup that Defraggler runs fast. I just downloaded Defraggler and it is very slow, but this is the first defag operation other that Vista's defragger to be run on my 320 GB SETA hard drive. I do have an old, slow PC. It is about 10 months old.

DELL XPS M1530
Intell Core2 Duo T8300 @ 2.4 GHz 2.4 GHz (I know, I listed 2.4 GHz twice, but it is a dual core)
4 GB RAM
Windows Vista Ultimate (32 bit)

Defraggler has run for 18 hours now and I am down from 6,800 defragmented files to 360.

It is slow, but again, it is free and it has GUI that Vista that does not offer. After looking at the first analysis, it does not appear Vista was defragmenting anything even though it was set to.

If I survive this first defragging, I think the defrag process will be faster in the future.

Take it easy on someone looking for advice or help, you might need it in the future.

Thank you Piriform for providing what looks like will be an excellent utility.

[steamhammer]

I'm having the same very slow performance. over 4 hours and it's only 1% complete.
Defraggler: V1.10.143
OS: XP SP3
Hardware:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+
2GB RAM
Seagate 250gb 7200.10 HD

I will remove my restore points and start things again to see if that helps but this is my second time my first attempt ran for 20 hours and never got past 1%.

[steamhammer]

steamhammer, on Jun 8 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

I'm having the same very slow performance. over 4 hours and it's only 1% complete.
Defraggler: V1.10.143
OS: XP SP3
Hardware:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+
2GB RAM
Seagate 250gb 7200.10 HD

I will remove my restore points and start things again to see if that helps but this is my second time my first attempt ran for 20 hours and never got past 1%.

Disabling Restore points corrected this problem for me. Defrag completed in a reasonable amount of time.

[MrRon]

Can anyone else confirm that disabling sys restore fixes slow defrag?
MrRon