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[Eagle Creek]

Hi,

Can you tell me why I should use Defraggler?
When I read http://www.technologyquestions.com/technol...html#post130291 and http://www.extremete...,1149277,00.asp

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((Microsoft virtually rewrote file system defrag support for Windows XP to remove the dependency on compressed-file routines and the Cache Manager. This means that data movement works at granularity of a single cluster for uncompressed files and that defragmentation works on NTFS volumes with cluster sizes larger than 4KB. Also, defragmentation is now supported on encrypted files.
The other big enhancement is support for online defragmentation of the MFT and most directory and file metadata.))

it makes me believe the Windows Defrag program is even more useful then any other 3th party product. So why is your product better?

This is a serious question, I'm not trying to bash the product .

[davey]

Eagle Creek, on Sep 2 2008, 08:41 PM, said:

Hi,

Can you tell me why I should use Defraggler?
When I read http://www.technologyquestions.com/technol...html#post130291 and http://www.extremete...,1149277,00.asp
it makes me believe the Windows Defrag program is even more useful then any other 3th party product. So why is your product better?

This is a serious question, I'm not trying to bash the product .

Hi Eagle Creek.
I understand your concern.
I use both Windows Disk Defragmenter and also Defraggler.
I believe in the benefits of prefetching and windows optimization.
These do excellent work for MOST PC users without any need to be a "techie" or doing any program updating at all. You don't have to understand what should be put where and such as regards files and folders.
However, there are certain users that can benefit by also using Defraggler. Defraggler, at least in my testing, does not destroy the positioning done by Windows if you will only use the the files defragmenting features and not the "Whole Disk" defraging features.

Windows Disk Defragmenter does a good job for the average user.(Better than some people are led to believe.) Some third party products do worse than WDD.
Some third party products do a little bit better to a lot better job depending on how you use them .
Defraggler is a third-party product and used by many IT "professionals" due to it's speed with files.

You can use these links to understand more about specialized disk defragmenter products. I found it very informative for those doing serious investigation.

Benchmarks*: Windows XP Disk Defragmenter
http://donnedwards.openaccess.co.za/2007/1...fragmenter.html
Monday, November 19, 2007

Another Look at Defraggler
http://donnedwards.o...bel/Thumbs%20Up
Sunday, April 27, 2008

The Great Defrag Shootout
http://donnedwards.openaccess.co.za/2007/0...ootout-all.html

I consider myself a helper to the "newbie" PC user or the average PC user.
This is a link to my latest comments on defragmentation for MOST users.
http://forum.piriform.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=112671

Good luck in your investigations,
davey

Edited by davey, 04 September 2008 - 05:01 AM.

[Andavari]

Just to name one advantage Defraggler has:
It can be a files only defrag tool, without having to process the whole drive.

[Eagle Creek]

Hi,

I don't consider myself a newbie, although I only have 5 posts , but I never experience a real positive effect from using Defraggler. That's said: not a better effect than Windows Defrag.

I think the extra options 3th party programs provide (like defrag on reboot, defrag single files/folders, etc.) are one of the main reasons these programs are popular.

A lot of people seem to think all the Windows tools are crappy, like disk cleaner and defrag, but just the lack of extra options doesn't make the core options of bad quality I think. I use both disk cleaner and CCleaner because I like what both programs can offer me.
But since I've heard using two different defrag programs at the same computer could cause problems I made this post. I don't care if I have to use Defraggler or Windows Defrag, as long as the program does the job it's supposed to do I'm happy.

Do you think defragging single files and folders really benefit your overall performance?

[Andavari]

Eagle Creek, on Sep 9 2008, 05:12 AM, said:

Do you think defragging single files and folders really benefit your overall performance?

I don't know about performance, however it's loads faster than doing a full defrag which some technicians will tell you a full defrag only needs to be done once per year on modern operating systems using NTFS.

[Eagle Creek]

Well.. about defragmentation and NTFS you could open another topic. That's one thing thats been discussed on the Internet for thousands of times. My (simple) opinion: if defragging would be totally useless, why would MS make a scheduled task for it at Windows Vista, which only runs NTFS.

[Andavari]

Eagle Creek, on Sep 9 2008, 09:40 AM, said:

if defragging would be totally useless, why would MS make a scheduled task for it at Windows Vista, which only runs NTFS.

Dunno, however with all the stuff people are constantly downloading ("music and videos") those can easily be fragmented once the downloading has finished. Large several hundred MB videos can have hundreds or thousands of fragments.

Although the rate of defragmenting as in how often is up to users on pre-Vista systems.

[YoKenny]

To paraphrase a famous soliloquy:

To defragment or not to defragment: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,

http://www.artofeuro...speare/sha8.htm

Any use of the hard drive uses up the time that it has to live and that is documented in its Mean Time To Failure (MTTF) and Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF) statistics that are usually measured in years:
http://www.i-mtbf.com

Defagging is a personal choice thing and is akin to personal cleanliness and that too much is paranoia and too little is un-healthy.

So what I do is I defrag before a Windows Update ( makes mental note this is Update Tuesday ) then install the updates then do a defrag and I do a defrag after I have un-installed some applications plus on my Birthday after I have taken the system unit outside and given the insides a good cleaning to remove the accumulated DustBunnies.

[Eagle Creek]

Well, personally I can't say I ever experience a positive effect from defragging, whether I use Windows defrag or defraggler. I didn't notice overall system performance and I didn't notice program performance. I neglected to do so for over a year, then I did several defrags on a day but I couldn't tell the difference.
At Vista I can imagine since the system defrags every week by scheduled task but I got the same experience at XP.

[Stacey]

Defraggler is a useful tool for defragmenting individual files.

Analysis of individual files - separate and / or complete defragmentation of the partitions are all possible with this practical tool, Defraggle.

A small and easy to use program. This program was kept very compact, but it is very clear. The individual defragmented files are clearly listed separately and can be defragmented. Just try it.








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[Eagle Creek]

Stacey, on Jul 25 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

Defraggler is a useful tool for defragmenting individual files.

Analysis of individual files - separate and / or complete defragmentation of the partitions are all possible with this practical tool, Defraggle.

A small and easy to use program. This program was kept very compact, but it is very clear. The individual defragmented files are clearly listed separately and can be defragmented. Just try it.

Tis question already has been anwsered in Septer 2008 and obviously I've tried the program since (and also before) then.