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[rridgely]

Well ms antispy might have just lost its credibility. Apparently microsoft just bought the company that makes claria/gain adaware. Then it was found that when MSAS detects claria it says the recommended action is to ignore it. Read the article here at spyware warriors.
http://www.netrn.net/spywareblog/

[TwistedMetal]

Here is my

Well, it doesn't borther me that much. I wanted to see for myself if it does ignore it.

#1. Went to the site to download it with Firefox. Requires IE.
#2. Went to the site to download it with IE. No go, SpywareBlaster was blocking it.
#3. Copied the url and opened it with Firefox. avast!'s alert went off saying it was spyware, after clicking the X a few times, and finally downloading it. It won't let me access it.

I couldn't even get to the point of Microsoft AntiSpyware to do anything....

[rridgely]

It dosent matter to me either. The thing is that not everyone runs spyware blaster and has firefox. So to the complete computer noob it could be a problem. The whole thing is that if MS is doing this now, who says thay wont do it with future pests as well. I think its just another stupid move on microsofts part.

[Andavari]

As soon as I logoff of here MS AntiSpyware is going bye bye!

[IceDogg]

This sucks.. I liked MS anti-spyware. I don't have spyblaster, yet. I guess I'll have to look into it now. But nothing is every found anyway, I use Firefox and don't allow cookies on site that I don't log into. I don't have java installed anymore. And I have noscript to limit (by whitelisting) site that can use javascript. I'm kind of paranoid, when it comes to this stuff.

[LEEnoble]

Also MS AntiSpyware does not delete tracking cookies unlike it's original GIANT AntiSpyware version.

[Tarun]

Just because it says to "Ignore" it doesn't mean you have to remove it. Still does an excellent job. Simply change it to "Remove", then run Ad-Aware and Spybot.

[agumon]

microsoft have remove many great features that are previously in the giant antispy... not totally shame... but the overall functionality and stability is not as good when compared to giant antispy... but still, you have to give windows antispyware some credit... it will be free for windows users... some nice features... and is really good additional to your antispyware arsenal... along side with adaware... spybot s&d and many others that you might be using...
hope it will be better after the last beta version...

[Tarun]

agumon, on Jul 4 2005, 11:21 AM, said:

microsoft have remove many great features that are previously in the giant antispy... not totally shame... but the overall functionality and stability is not as good when compared to giant antispy... but still, you have to give windows antispyware some credit... it will be free for windows users... some nice features... and is really good additional to your antispyware arsenal... along side with adaware... spybot s&d and many others that you might be using...
hope it will be better after the last beta version...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Exactly. All of the anti-spyware utilities will omit something. Ad-Aware did/does it, so big deal if MSAS does it. Just proves why to use more than one.

[rridgely]

I just feel like MS only put MSAS out to help them gain respect and to get credit for trying to provide security for their operating system. Then they go and screw it up by making deals with an adware company. It just dosent seem like a smart thing to do. I havent decided if I will still use MSAS but one things for sure I would never totaly rely on it on its own.

[Andavari]

rridgely, on Jul 4 2005, 01:52 PM, said:

I havent decided if I will still use MSAS but one things for sure I would never totaly rely on it on its own.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The thing I didn't like about it was the false positives. I couldn't believe that it wanted to remove a restricted site from Internet Explorer which I inputted after reading the Spyware Warrior page. One more thing, it's a pain to cleanup after uninstalling, CCleaner found 90 invalid entries in the registry after removing it, CCleaner only missed 6 entries which was amazing considering how much MSAS puts into the registry. MSAS also leaves some stuff behind on the disk in the form of physical files which most people won't know about unless they tracked the installation like I did.

[Pests]

"unless they tracked the installation like I did."

Please explain more about this. Thank you.

[rridgely]

I just removed msas. I then scanned with ccleaer and it found 112 issues the first time and 25 the second time. That seems like an excessive amount of junk for just one program. I have never uninstalled ad-aware but I bet it dosent have 136 registry entries.

[TwistedMetal]

Symantec should sue Microsoft for coping their registry entries left after an uninstall.

[Andavari]

Pests, on Jul 4 2005, 07:49 PM, said:

"unless they tracked the installation like I did."

Please explain more about this. Thank you.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I used PC Magazine's Install Control 5 ("InCTRL5") to track the installation, the software is no longer free. There's also Total Uninstall, I don't know if it's freeware or not however I've have seen it mentioned on this forum. Sorry I'm feeling too lazy to provide links, Google them if you want to know more about them.

[Andavari]

rridgely, on Jul 4 2005, 10:49 PM, said:

I just removed msas. I then scanned with ccleaer and it found 112 issues the first time and 25 the second time. That seems like an excessive amount of junk for just one program. I have never uninstalled ad-aware but I bet it dosent have 136 registry entries.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You may want to remove these remnants that the uninstall routine doesn't remove (I hate sloppy uninstallers):
* C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Installations\{DF2E8A41-7E98-427D-9582-7D2EAF44F827}\Microsoft AntiSpyware.msi
* C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\GCCollection.dll
* C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\gcTypLibA.tlb
* C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\gcUnCompress.dll
* C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\hashlib.dll
* C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\mscomct2.ocx

If you want the watched install for WinXP report PM me.

[agumon]

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Symantec should sue Microsoft for coping their registry entries left after an uninstall.

but really... microsoft should have done a better job at that... leaving so many files and registry keys after uninstallation is not cool...

[Tarun]

Andavari, on Jul 5 2005, 07:08 AM, said:

You may want to remove these remnants that the uninstall routine doesn't remove (I hate sloppy uninstallers):
* C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Installations\{DF2E8A41-7E98-427D-9582-7D2EAF44F827}\Microsoft AntiSpyware.msi
* C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\GCCollection.dll
* C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\gcTypLibA.tlb
* C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\gcUnCompress.dll
* C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\hashlib.dll
* C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\mscomct2.ocx

If you want the watched install for WinXP report PM me.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

MSCOMCT2.OCX is a Visual Basic file. So you want to keep it.

[DjLizard]

It contains the following controls:
• Microsoft Animation Control
• Microsoft UpDown Control
• Microsoft MonthView Control
• Microsoft Date and Time Picker Control
• Microsoft Flat ScrollBar Control

[Andavari]

Exactly DjLizard. And it wasn't on my system before the installation of MSAS, hence MSAS installed it. The VB6 SP6 runtime doesn't install it either, and it isn't a part of the C:\I386 files either.