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[q231]

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If you’re not a web developer, the details of this blog post probably aren’t all that interesting for you. I’d like you to know that we’re building IE8 for many different customers (consumers, web service providers, independent software vendors, enterprises, web developers, and others), and we’ll cover more details of the non-developer oriented work (e.g. user experience, reliability, security, etc.) in other posts in the future, after MIX.

While web developers will immediately recognize what Acid2 means, I want to step back and offer some context for other readers of this blog who may not be familiar with web standards. Briefly: Acid2 is one test of how modern browsers work with some specific features across several different web standards.

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[JohnDemolition]

i bet that picture's fake

[q231]

JohnDemolition, on Dec 20 2007, 01:29 AM, said:

i bet that picture's fake

its not well I'm not quite sure though because IE8 is in Alpha Stages i believe..Who knows maybe IE8 will be better than IE7 right?

[Caldor]

Proper CSS support in IE is good but its also not so good as all the custom workarounds for previous versions have to be changed but atleast MS has put a line in the sand..had to be done at some point.

[Softix]

I think windows is coming up with IE8 considering that IE7 has not been accepted cordially by people. I think many users much prefer firefox that IE7.

[Caldor]

Actually, FireFox is used by significantly less people across the globe than IE.

Even with FF3 gran paradiso, FF does not provide the same level of security as IE7 on Vista because it does not operate in a reduced priveldge mode by default. It forces uses to run it in a sandbox environment from a third party to match the default scenario with IE7.

The real reason why MS is doing IE8 is that they need to update the CSS support to properly comply with CSS standards. This is a double edged sword however as many web deployments have coded around it and now it will have to be recoded to cope with MS doing it right. They cant win!

[1984]

If IE offered the extension capabilities like firefox it would be awesome. i like ff because of the customized extensions that do the specific things that I want it to do-that IE doesnt. maybe in the future......

[CeeCee]

Opera has passed it a long time. If i remember correctly, Opera was the first browser to pass it. Correct, if i'm wrong.

[CTskifreak]

Caldor, on Jan 14 2008, 02:35 AM, said:

Actually, FireFox is used by significantly less people across the globe than IE.

I agree with this part, but not so whole heartedly --- Maximum PC noted that FF usage has gone up significantly, taking a decent sized chunk out of Microsoft's "piece of the pie."

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Even with FF3 gran paradiso, FF does not provide the same level of security as IE7 on Vista because it does not operate in a reduced priveldge mode by default. It forces uses to run it in a sandbox environment from a third party to match the default scenario with IE7.

I have never heard this...all I've heard is that FF is more secure from the ground up. If you can link me to something that says IE runs in a "reduced privilege mode" I'll be happy to believe you. But nothing I've seen, heard, or read has ever mentioned that.

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The real reason why MS is doing IE8 is that they need to update the CSS support to properly comply with CSS standards. This is a double edged sword however as many web deployments have coded around it and now it will have to be recoded to cope with MS doing it right. They cant win!

Who can't win...Microsoft??? Or outside developers??? I'm lost on this last part.


AJ

[Anthony A]

Caldor, on Jan 14 2008, 02:35 AM, said:

Actually, FireFox is used by significantly less people across the globe than IE.

Thats because IE ships with every copy of Windows. Most people just know the little blue e will get them to their porn sites and don't really care to learn that their are other browsers. Most don't even know IE is a browser. If Firefox was shipped with every copy of Windows like IE is there would be no contest. IE would be left far behind.

[1984]

Anthony A, on Jan 14 2008, 03:21 PM, said:

Thats because IE ships with every copy of Windows. Most people just know the little blue e will get them to their porn sites and don't really care to learn that their are other browsers. Most don't even know IE is a browser. If Firefox was shipped with every copy of Windows like IE is there would be no contest. IE would be left far behind.

I totally agree. It's easy to have most of the market when you have a monopoly.

[JohnDemolition]

CeeCee, on Jan 14 2008, 07:04 AM, said:

Opera has passed it a long time. If i remember correctly, Opera was the first browser to pass it. Correct, if i'm wrong.

on Windows, yes. i believe Konqueror passed it first followed by Safari.

[Caldor]

AJ, for reference on on IE7 low priveledge mode Vista:

http://blogs.msdn.co.../09/528963.aspx

And, FF actually has more security advisories on it than IE7 for Vista.

I'd say its MS that cant win - they loose by implementing legacy versions of IE that dont properly support CSS, then the whole world does work arounds in their web apps, and then they fix it, but all those work arounds break and MS cops it for changing things again. Professional web developers probably like it since it pays them more contracts for maintenance.

FF once went over 20% global market share but it fell back down again. IE is used for the majority of global web traffic.